no need to write an essay or anything
some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don’t know what’s serious and what’s irony
I would say 100% of Hexbear posters believe Trump should be immediately summarily executed. In the mean time, though, he’s a great comedic subject.
If this is not your opinion of Trump and every living (or dead) American president then Hexbear is not the instance for you, folks.
To anyone in future linking this comment or thread as evidence that we are not
supporters, also note that this here is the second highest up-beared comment on the site.
along with every US president and anyone that perpetuates imperialism
I think a lot of the confusion comes from how people here derive amusement from his stupidity, whereas with Biden and Obama the contempt was more open (because they weren’t clownishly, openly stupid, just malicious or more run of the mill incompetent)
I disagree, I think we should give him the Puyi treatment for no other reason than it would be really funny
At the absolute least he should be truman show’d
We’ll put him in a large terrarium where he’s told he’s still president as he is subjected to more and more bizare staged scenarios just to see what he’ll do. Like one day we just replace his entire staff with people who look similar. One day we just let fifty dogs in to the white house. We tell him he has to open. Diplomatic channels with the deep ones who have emerged from the pacific. Just to see what he does. The man only watches one tv channel it wouldn’t be hard to control his entire subjective experience.
thanks for responding to this, it’s more than I deserve lol
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I wouldn’t she’d a tear if Trump tripped and broke his neck, or if he finally got devoured by his son Bannon or someone Merced him, but if I am to answer who I think would lead to the best situation globally between Trump and Biden, I’d pick trump any day. The man is incredibly incompetent and isolationist. Couldn’t even coup Venezuela.
It’s so outrageously non-materialist to think the US’s grip in Latin America is weakening because of Trump, and not because of the line decline of empire, China as a countervailing force, and the resilience of the Latin American people putting to use the lessons learned from prior US meddling. Biden also hasn’t done much of anything in LA because the the US generally is no longer capable of it. The president isn’t planning this shit personally. They aren’t even deciding to do it or not. The only choices they get to make are erratic single strikes. Like Trump killing Soleimani and nearly starting war with Iran. No biggie, though, right? Orange man funny!
I don’t think that South America is seeing leftism bloom because of Trump, I think they’re seeing it because of the work of south Americans. I think the south Americans work was easier under Trump - As you yourself said “the decline of Empire”. He was much worse at administering the American empire, which accelerated it’s collapse.
Trump killing Soleimani was wrong and I don’t think I’ve at any point said anything to the contrary? It was also something that wasn’t widely supported, which fucked up soft power further. The war didn’t escalate because of Iran, and Iran was able to keep tensions low because Trump was an incompetent buffoon incapable of whipping the rest of the west and the media in line.
“the decline of Empire”. He was much worse at administering the American empire, which accelerated it’s collapse.
How on earth you think the president meaningfully administers the empire, I have no idea. The empire is collapsing because of long historical trends and the inefficiency of its structures. Not because of Trump.
It’s like, if the goal is the collapse of America, he’s probably the best bet yeah? If shit collapses he’ll probably get executed anyway by his own base of psychopaths.
if the goal is the collapse of America, he’s probably the best bet yeah?
This assumes that fascism isn’t effective as capitalism’s immune response, but I’d argue it is.
Yeah, but the competentish fascist we were afraid of turned out to be Robinette Brandon. Covid ended, wars accelerated, he’s doing that faux-populism thing, new levels of state persecution of minorities, elections looking less legitimate than ever, jingoistic nationalism.
no more half measures walter
I haven’t even seen the show, and I’ve maybe heard the audio one time, but I see your comments so often that “no more half measures Walter” in a deep gravelly voice is now a common thing in my internal monologue lmao
I didn’t like the joke at first because I never saw the show. But after a week or two something changed now it makes me laugh really hard like half the time.
It’s like how a wall filled with graffiti dicks is just lowbrow middle school humor, but how seeing that there’s more dicks when you turn the corner elevates it into meta-ironic comedic genius
I think everyone has cleared up that we don’t actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.
Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the “good republicans” will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.
When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there’s two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.
To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can’t be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, “well maybe he won’t take office, the electors could save us”. They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. “If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!” And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.
If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn’t matter if they are civil, or have “merit” (whatever that means), or if they’re the first black president. They’re the figurehead of global system of exploitation.
For me personally, i hadn’t become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.
I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).
And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we’ve witnessed into our understanding of the world.
That’s probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don’t share the view that he’s an aberration, or uniquely bad. He’s just a republican. And they can’t accept that
:this: is a great post
thanks comrade
Excellent post.
This is exactly why, throughout the entire Trump presidency, liberals repeated to themselves, to their family, friends coworkers, to their Twitter followers: THIS IS NOT NORMAL. It was a mantra for 4 years. It perfectly represents their struggle through the cognitive dissonance of reconciling Donald Trump being the “Leader of the Free World” just as much as Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt.
The question they never could answer satisfyingly is “If this is not normal, how did normal lead us here?” Answering this question definitively inevitably leads to socialist critiques and conclusions. Instead they retreated into the elitism of disdain for “populism” and the idiot masses, while simultaneously claiming to defend “democracy” even though they clearly don’t like its actual practice and results. Or, they retreated into the paranoia of a foreign conspiracy, since a foreign nation can be irredeemably evil but never our own, while completely overlooking that Trump mostly did as the Blob (as Obama called it) wanted. He was of absolutely no benefit to any supposed backers, even if they really did support him. And it stands to reason that if they could have rigged it successfully the first time, why wouldn’t it have worked the second time? It should have only gotten easier to rig things with a puppet in charge than with a meaningfully independent Democrat in charge. All of their answers were and are a mess of contradictions.
I was like you too. Recognizing that this madness was normal and continues to proceed just fine without Trump at its head is exactly what showed me that I am not a liberal. I would have hoped it would have enough for most people. Maybe we need Mecha Hitler III to be elected via Supreme Court decision before most liberals jump ship.
Thanks, and i appreciate what you’ve added here comrade.
Particularly about their retreat into elitism and anti-populism. You see this manifest strongly when theres a disaster in a so-called red state, and all the libs just say they deserve it, as if everyone living there is what they imagine republican voters to be: stupid, lower class, rednecks, whatever libs are calling them these days. They never imagine that the average republican voter and average Trump supporter is petty boug, is as affluent as they are if not more, and of the same class or higher. And those peoole aren’t the ones hurt when the grid goes down in Texas. The peoole most likely to be hurt are the people they pay lip service to caring about.
Chapo had it right when they said that the really poor by and large just don’t vote. From liberals’ perspective that’s the same thing as voting Republican in effect, but they don’t reflect on being resented for this snobbish disapproval and political entitlement, which costs them elections.
That’s probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don’t share the view that he’s an aberration, or uniquely bad. He’s just a republican. And they can’t accept that
I think the most revealing thing to ask a lib is who was worse,
or 
. The sheer body count difference, there’s no way a kind, non-fascist person could ever think it’s even close.It’s absolutelty the best test.
Trump winning the election almost immediately rehabilitated Bush for libs. Which is all about optics and civility bullshit.
Why they think the deaths of something like 2 million Iraqis is more civil than a grotesque TV show host being gross - now that’s what’s interesting!
The deaths and displacement of millions ot Iraqis and Afghans are not an affront to their ideology. That does little or nothing to their fundamental beliefs and assumptions about America. But a grotesque, an “unqualified” reality TV star, a con man becoming President, and then having the audacity to be “unpresidential” - to disrespect the office - that to libs is real shit. That shakes their belief system to the core. That’s the only calculus that makes Bush better than Trump
So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, “well maybe he won’t take office, the electors could save us”. They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. “If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!”
I went through most of those steps, but already knowing our electoral system was at the very least bad because of math. So after a few rounds of cognitive dissonance I had to reevaluate.
orange man literally blowing minds, what a unit
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Not from hexbear, but no, of course they don’t. I would wager that you would have a very hard time finding anyone on hexbear or lemmygrad that has anything but contempt for all US presidents. A bunch of monsters, the lot of them.
I see Lincoln as being a lot like Lenin, a problematic figure who ultimately oversaw an important and mostly liberatory project
Lincoln has just been whitewashed all to hell. He didn’t free the slaves out of any moral reason. It was just a good piece of propaganda, and he was really just railroaded into it.
I would also like to point you to Lincoln’s military service and the largest mass execution in US history. Their crime? Not starving to death. He’s just as much of a genocidal scumbag as the rest of them.
lenin was one of the best people in human history
full stop
Trump is a grotesque monster, but he’s hated by libs not for vile actions, but because he was rude. We don’t value civility here, so we can laugh at him when he’s funny, but he and every living American president deserves to be tried in The Hague
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Not you @Civility@hexbear.net, we love you
See, this is why I don’t trust y’all. How can you pretend to be leftist when to you the fundamental difference between Trump and any other political administration is literally just that he’s rude.
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
If none of that means anything more than being rude or not, you’re not a leftist. You’re a cosplayer.
from the rights of workers
Who crushed the rail strike
of oppressed minorities
who let roe v wade expire
protection of the environment
how many oil drilling licenses were given out in the last 4 years
access to health care and education
lol
All presidents are bad, and all advance the cruelty of the previous president. Are we still ignoring covid? are we still imprisoning people at the border?
Who was a vocal supporter of segregation?
Democrats and Republicans exist as two parts of a rightward political ratchet system. Biden as VP was only run because he was the more right wing counterbalance to Obama’s “radical socialist agenda” We get one
in the white house and suddenly Biden is the “most pro labor president in history”? Come the fuck on.
And this is why we don’t trust libs. Because as soon as a blue candidate gets into office you become blind to the problems in america
Here’s one more difference between trump and other presidents: he was less harmful than bush and probably Clinton and Obama. Clinton was responsible for turning the Democratic Party into the neoliberal garbage it is now, bush killed hundreds of thousands of people and devastated multiple countries, and Obama oversaw one of the greatest transfers of wealth from the poorest to the richest the world has ever seen
also what Obama/Clinton did in Libya is an unspeakably horrifying crime. just thinking about it makes me shake with rage. also Yemen.
Absolutely. All of them have so much blood on their hands and I will celebrate their deaths with glee. It will be a small pleasure compared to the countless lives they extinguished and cast into poverty but it’s all I can expect when it comes these monster
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
Get back to us when Dems do anything about any of that?
Rights of workers: Biden literally busted Unions. Come on man
Oppressed Minorities: Biden quite literally continued Trump’s migration policies when he first entered office. There have been some marginal improvements, but as someone who worked directly in migrant communities and legal aid during the time, I can confidently say his policies have been nearly indistinguishable to the masses of people hurting and need help. There are administrative changes he could make with the wave of a pen to make the process easier, but there’s no desire for it in the actual rooms of power within the Democratic party.
Plus, Biden and other mainstream Dems fought against defund the police almost harder than the right wing did. Funding for the most oppressive institution in this country has increased dramatically.
PLUS the fucking democrats never codified Roe v Wade despite having all 3 branches of government.
Protection of the environment: Driving off a 100 foot cliff at 60 mph is quite frankly just as bad as driving off at 75 mph. The Democrats engage in soft climate change denialism. They say vapid shit like “believe the science,” but then completely ignore what the science says we have to do which is stop fucking drilling for more Fossil Fuels and switch as fast as possible to renewables. Instead we get weasely promises about investing in green technologies that may or may not actually work out of one side of their mouths, and a dramatic increase in fossil fuel production on the other. They’re just green washing their anti-environmental ambitions so useful idiots feel warm and fuzzy.
Access to education: you’re going to have to point to something you think is good, because I literally can’t even begin to imagine what you’re thinking is going well in this regard.
His policies and the continuation of them under Biden are no fundamentally different in scope or malaciousness than any other previous president. Trump is the most exagerrated symptom of American political rot, not a new disease process.
the fundamental difference between Trump and any other political administration is literally just that he’s rude.
Every single other president in history is a war criminal murderous bastard.
The libs didn’t like this war criminal murderous bastard because he made it incredibly obvious while doing it, when the operating procedure is supposed to hide it behind a layer of ““professionalism”” (liberal culture).
All of them are bastards, barring none. All of them are responsible for the countless deaths of thousands upon thousands of people all over the world. They’re all murdering bastards of empire reaping hell upon the entire world.
You just ignored it until this particular one made it too obvious.
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
Lmao absolutely none of these involve foreign policy. It’s very telling that you’re a nationalist who is ok with the hell america reaps everywhere else. Let’s go through them one by one though eh?
Workers rights - lol, like any president in history has ever been pro workers, including Biden who broke the rail strike
Minorities - lol, like any president in history has ever been pro minorities
Environment - lol, lmao even
Health - lol dems have always been great on health right? That’s why america still has no fucking healthcare system. Fuck me how naive are you?
Education - 21% of americans are illiterate
It’s fucking wild that you people only attribute this to republicans, you’re completely fucking blind to the fact that the ruling class owns both of these parties and that they use them both to continually fuck you over while somehow fooling dipshits like you into thinking one half of the capitalists is good actually if only it weren’t for the mean half of the capitalists. Fucking open your eyes for fucks sake.
May as well throw Chomsky on the crimes of every US president here too since it’s relevant.
How were any of the things you listed helped by Biden being in office? Are any of those things better in this country now that he’s gone?
We don’t support him, he is awful on all these aspects, but so are all US admins, because they all serve capital.
they’re saying the only difference between him and any other liberal. you forget that imperialism and white supremacy are the defacto policy of the US government, regardless of the views of any president.
Definitely not. He’s an odious fascist, or he would be a fascist if he had any sort of ideological commitment to anything other than drawing attention to himself. The fact that he was elected at all is a monumental condemnation of the USA. He just has the soul of a problematic Florida drag queen in there, which makes him a tremendous poster.
is the fly in the soup of 
he kinda accidentally and effortlessly pulls back the curtain on the shit show - the ‘concentration camps’ on the border become ‘processing centers’ as soon as
is in office - even though nothing materially changesand the :LIB:s just focus on the new shiny BS that comes along in his wake, the media loves to cover him as it accelerates the diminishing attention span to any material reality
Look at what Trump did today! Get very angry about dumb orange man! Don’t pay attention to how the entire hierarchy of US society created him and leverages him to maintain the status quo. Biden needs your :vote: to fix things. Don’t recall that Ds had every chance to codify Roe but didn’t (because that would end the ‘will they/won’t they’ saga of abortion rights that is so lucrative for Ds).
Throughly
about this since around 2016. And they keep saying ‘bernie bros did this’ louder and louder.some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don’t know what’s serious and what’s irony
As opposed to what, acting hysterical anytime he’s mentioned and feigning enough outrage to some moral degree? Calling him a wet boy and laughing at him takes actual agency away from some of the ghoulish shit he does. When you act like he’s Voldemort (is that the bad from Harry Potter) and not being able to name him is shit he revels in. Literally everything libs have done to try and combat Trump has fallen on it’s face and only made him more emboldened. Not to mention it’s simply unfunny and often punches down in the process, like showing him sucking Putin’s dick. Nice one, way to throw gay men under the bus too.
No, but the guy is funny sometimes, so we have various emotes and stuff that reference famous lines or bits from him. The perception that some lemmy users have of this place being genuinely “pro-Trump” is really confusing to me – it’s no more “pro-Trump” than an SNL bit mocking him, although hopefully more funny (as in, funny at all – thank god for the writer’s strike sparing us from more SNL).
@mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml what gives you or other Lemmy users this impression?
I personally don’t have that impression at all lol, which is why I phrased the post so apologetically. I knew I was bothering hexbear with some inane bullshit, but I wanted a post I could point to when libs on other instances spread rumors about hexbear communists being secret MAGA conservatives
It gave us tons of content, so don’t be sorry. We honestly love inane bullshit, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise
I’m just having a hard time understanding why someone would think that this instance likes trump. There aren’t even many sarcastic shitposts that would give that impression.
he’s a naturally funny guy with some all-time bangers under his belt and I think it would be hilarious to see him executed
Every American president is a war criminal. Trump is no exception, he just happens to be an open asshole about it. It’s funny watching Libs get butthurt because instead of just bombing poor brown countries, he also insults them at the same time. Every single US president is going to hell if it exists.
Serious answer: fuck no. As a trans woman, having Republicans in office is extremely scary (not a pro Democrat post at all)
We think Biden and Trump are very similar in terms of ideology, who funds them, and whose interests they actually represent in terms of laws passed and when you ignore rhetoric.
The fact we think Biden is equally a piece of shit and respect Trump for “honestly” being a corrupt a piece of shit makes it look like we support Trump.
Trump is funnier than Biden and more authentic. Authentic doesn’t mean honest, it means he doesn’t pretend he is other than he is.
Additionally Trump acknowledges that the neoliberal establishment doesn’t represent the interests of the people, and he’s completely right about that. So we join Trump in pointing out that obvious fact but that’s like joining Trump in saying the sky is blue when the Dems are saying it’s a shade of magenta.
Trump is a patriarchal fascist who defends the interests of capital just as much as Biden and so we don’t support him. He’s a piece of shit. He also rejects the pretense of civility which means things might become more overtly violent under his leadership against trans gay and racial minorities which is hellah bad but only in fact a minor difference of degree when you look at the treatment of gay trans and racial minorities under any Dem. Seriously, show me the empirical statistics if you feel shocked or offended by that. So shove it with that shield.
And if you’re Syrian or Iraqi or Yemeni or Afghani etc etc etc etc etc then an isolationist protectionist like Trump is a hell of a lot better than a Biden.
They’re both bad. They’re just as bad as each other, in different ways.
Honestly I don’t want my comrades in the USA to suffer under Trump, that would break my heart, but also I want to see Trump tear this rotten mess apart.
I’m playing both sides because both sides are fucking awful.
