M8 thats the point, its a hyperbolic way of saying that there was an internet argument between shinji haters and non shinji haters, the former lost.

Then that’s not the same point as the one I am making? You’re saying that’s the point, and then saying the opposite of what I am saying - That there is an objective answer.

Ok, if you value calm discussion then you have the options of not engaging in a hostile way or just log off for a bit?

I am responding in a hostile manner because you are engaging in the processes which I have described as being frustrating.

Who? Gendo? Rei? Lol. Lmao.

Dude, the stakes is that everyone will die if he doesn’t stop the angel in episode 1. I don’t know who loves, but they’re part of everyone.

You see, the crushing weight of the task at hand is exactly why he is St. Shinji. To “fail” so purely in meeting tremendous unfair expectations set by what seems to be an uncaring universe.

Yeah, I agree? It seems like you think I’m arguing it’s fair or good to expect these things of him or something. I’m not.

You are currently not alienated enough from the socioeconomic order to relate to the sentiments, so you read it more literally and get frustrated. You don’t see the picture behind the bigger picture.

Legit fuck you. Don’t make assumptions about me and don’t condescend me. Of the two of us you’re the only who at the moment is failing to read into text - you are arguing as if I dismiss the bigger picture, the themes or the motivations of the characters, despite the fact that I acknowledge them. This is what I am talking about with “misinterpretation” and “frustration”. You have made up your mind that I am arguing from a position which I have never claimed to inhabit, that I am dismissing arguments which I acknowledge, that I do not grasp very base-level stuff of the discussion. Despite getting these things responded, you decide to further entrench yourself in the position that I either do not understand or acknowledge these elements.
This sucks. If you’re gonna be a troll, then troll someone else please.

Nah that’s an understatement lol it’s so horrifically FUBAR that, as you mentioned, it’s funny.

Yeah I wonder if I made it an understatement on purpose to keep the tone of this discussion light and funny.

Ohhh yeah you bet!!! Your side got annihilated!

type language about something that doesn’t have an “objective” foundation or singular “correct answer” is funny.

Nah you were crystal clear buddy. I’ll be seeing you.

I always am, and people still manage to misinterpret me. A lot of people on hexbear are very dogmatic, triggerhappy and predisposed, which leads to a lot of situations where people half-read something, make the worst assumptions about the other and then begin to argue something that wasn’t even mentioned by the other. It happens so often.
That’s what I mean by miscommunication. That behaviour then leads to frustration, which leads to more hostile responses, which leads to the people who have already made up their minds before even reading a response, to get further entrenched, which then leads to more bad faith arguing, which then leads to more frustration and so on and so forth.

Sorry, didn’t see you wrote this as a chain!
Yeah I don’t think she’s attracted to him, I think she’s aware he’s attracted to her and she uses this to control him. It’s a tool she has available that she uses to mold him into the person she needs him to be.
That’s still grooming.
She does this because she’s also in an insane militaristic environment that demands too much of her, but she still does it.

Barry was exceedingly normal

He started the campaign to promote a book. he used to be friendly with the Clinton’s, I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided on doing the pied piper strategy together

Is he filled with dread, knowing how close the reaper came, or regret that he was not allowed the final rest?

I get it, he feels like he almost died. That can get to you.

Makes it all the more funny that his supporters are plastering that fistpump photo everywhere, it must infuriate him

Thanks for the recommendation!

bro theres this giant alien which leveled half a city and ate 2 supernukes like it was nothing, we’re just gonna need you to drown inside this nightmare engine with no training and take it out real quick…"

Otherwise the world will end, yes. So get in the robot or you will be killed by the aforementioned monster, you’re literally out only hope. Shinji himself realises in that first scene that he and everyone he loves will die if he doesn’t get in the EVA and he still doesn’t get in the EVA.

I understand that he is depressed and so on. He is crippled with executive dysfunction. He even asks the question himself of “why won’t I do it?” Because he understands that there is some tremendous mental block keeping him from acting when he has to. I understand all of this. I am still frustrated that he will not get in the EVA.

Understanding a characters motives, does not mean you need to enjoy them, and I think he was shitty in that moment. The stakes of the present moment are made out to be so massive, that I struggle to sympathise with him.

nah the entire situation was a horror show, humanity was on borrowed time as soon as a 14 year old was tasked with saving it.

Yeah I don’t think the situation is optimal either.

It’s very good so far!

No worries, I also apologise for the hostility in my response. I just feel like there’s some people who have had the “get in the robot” discussion with chuds a bunch of times, and now I become someone they can unload frustrations onto. So I feel a need to set some very clear boundaries.

I think the show is kinda challenging itself due to the stakes of the world. It’s very hard to sympathise with Shinji being afraid to get in the robot, when the entire world is at stake. It’s hard to sympathise with him being afraid, when the alternative to getting in the robot is also him dying. On a larger scale I really think his dad doesn’t just suck as a father, but also at his job. Dude really needs to be there for his best pilot and the fact he isn’t willing isn’t a great seal of excellence.

My frustration with Shinji is mainly in the first episode. That’s where I’m (internally) screaming “holy shit dude shut the fuck up and get in the robot and then figure out all this shit if you all survive afterwards but get in the robot please”.

And then finally the whole arguing from the position that I don’t understand basic stuff, but that’s in large part me projecting my insecurities onto you and me taking frustrations from the general vibe of discussions on hexbear and generalising my interactions.
I’m sorry for that, but also kinda not. Says something about the duality of man.

Very cool!

Realistically, the therapists’ job in this scenario would be manipulating the soldiers and/or finding ways to numb and avoiding the pain.

Yeah, and they really need someone who actually knows how to do that, instead of Misato whiplashing between supportive caretaker and bullying superior officer.

Anyway, despite relating to Shinji in many ways, the grandness and stakes of the show makes it very hard for me to be on his side. Like I literally become military brained and demand they torture or MKULTRA the kid in order to fight the literal demons.

Yeah, the stakes are too high. There’s people telling me “you just don’t get it!” and tbh I feel like I get it, the show is very good at establishing Shinjis mental state, the reason for his mental state and why he doesn’t wanna get in the robot in episode 1. I am still annoyed at his apprehension because the world is about to end.

I guess I’m not into mecha stuff at all lol.

Check out the movie “Pacific rim”. If that doesn’t get to you, then I’d say you’re not into mecha stuff.
There’s a scene where a mecha is punching a kaiju again and again and the punches just aren’t hard enough, so it activatues MASSIVE JET ENGINES IN ITS ELBOWS so it can PUNCH HARDER and then it PULLS OUT A SWORD FROM ITS THIGH.
There’s also a Chinese and a russian mecha and they’re very cool. The russian mecha has a nuclear reactor and it is best described as being a Kruschevka come to life.

Is it for the Shinji thing? Or is it just for watching anime?

Snitches get stitches

Yeah there’s people telling me why he doesn’t wanna get in the robot, and I get why he doesn’t wanna get in the robot. It’s like they miss out on the fact that I’m describing the very first scene and then they just take all the discourse from the entire show and assume something about me.

It’s cool that this is a deconstruction, but should I watch a mecha anime to hvae something that can be deconstructed? Should I watch gundam and if so, which one?

We’ve been thru this before? From the people replying to me with negativity, it seems like it’s yet another case of “not fully reading thru what the other is writing” so just miscommunication and frustration

That sucks, I’m sorry to hear that