I also did this.
Bricked my computer for 3 years 🫠
Fuck mint, even Windows Vista never broke to the point of being unable to download any file lol
The windows kids know more because there was a possibility some stuff might work with the right sequence of rituals. The mac kids just knew not to try because nothing will work
mac people/kids are wealthier, so yeah they’d have better academic scores, generally.
Linux people are the insufferable know it all who just inject themselves into things to brag about how superior and smart they are for an arbitrary operating system choice.
the computing equivalent of that football dad who brags to everyone how good has in high school and how he could have gone pro.
I think that Mac people will score significantly lower than Windows users because the OS is built for people with zero technical literacy.
Did Linus Torvalds sleep with your wife or something
no. i just think linux is boring and dumb, rather than the holy spirit of using computers.
using linux is not really some great achievement in life, all it means is you’re a nerd who likes command line interfaces. cool, me too bro. I just don’t whinge on about it like windows/mac or sunOS is were some great evil prophets and his holy Linus gave us salvation from our computing sins the other OSes make us commit, or something.
people here think treat linux use as a religious awakening and they must shun/covert the non-believers. or argue about the purity of their faith based on the distribution or the age of their first install. shit’s wild.
I agree that there’s a lot of overexaggeration in the Linux sphere about how great it is (along with the snobs that come with it), but it’s not entirely without merit either. Linux has a big emphasis on user choice and configuration, and it’s pretty much the only OS in the world which can run on basically any machine that has the specs for it.
It tends to go relatively underappreciated how big of an impact Linux has had and continues to do so in how diverse & ubiquitous it is, so it’s not too surprising that insecure users tend to compensate by dunking on Windows/Mac and its users whenever they get the chance. That’s not to say it doesn’t have its shortcomings (it certainly does) but Linux is one of the few software creations that managed to maintain the majority of its principles over its lifespan without enshittifying itself. So there’s also that moral factor which makes many feel justified in glorifying it.
Overall I’d say it’s balanced between being overrated and the rise of RNGesus. It’s a great ecosystem to take part in (albeit with an occasional degree of confusion) and as long as you treat the Linux supremacist crowd as unserious (which they are when it comes down to it) there’s really no reason to dislike it in general. Especially if you want to stick it to Microslop or Slopple :)
You are what I’m complaining about dude.
I’m an IT professional. I don’t glorify or condemn anything on principle. They are just tools for jobs. Linux is no more glorious that a hammer. But you seem to think that hammer is the second coming of the son of God. Normal people use hammers to hit nails, they don’t sit around and glorify and worship hammers as being superior to screw drivers.
So I’m not entitled to my opinion? It’s a little disingenuous to act like I’m worshipping Linux when I literally just denounced that behaviour.
I know it’s a crazy thought, but people are allowed to appreciate creations on an emotional level. I’m not shaming you either way whether you like it or not, I’m just laying out some reasons for why people treat Linux the way they do. People are allowed to like their tools and the work put into making them, and so the same thing goes for any software.
It seems to me like you’re just having a hard time understanding that people tend to feel sentimental about their interests, which is what, y’know… Humans do. Your principles aren’t universal imperatives. You’re entitled to them, but you’re treating them as objectively as any Linux snob treats their favourite distro.
Funnily enough you’re also not entirely consistent with your holier-than-thou attitude towards any biases. This whole back and forth started with you calling Linux boring and dumb, facetious or not.
I think there is some selection bias there with your analysis of Linux people. Maybe you only know the ones that interject because they have interject. Meanwhile a lot of Linux veterans don’t bring it up because we don’t want to answer questions about it.
it’s a joke about lemmy users dude. and how insufferable they are about linux and all the twats in this thread bragging about how they learned linux in grade school like it’s a contest to prove how hardcore and smarter they are. and their lack of recognition of how obnoxious and weird that behavior is.
They are like people who argue that German cars are not expensive if you can do all the repairs yourself! It demonstrates a total lack of understanding that non-enthusiasts don’t care about your weird smug nerd shit about how you love to suffer by taking hours to setup your custom homebrew network.
Normal people just want shit that works. They don’t care about Linux, or when you learned it and Mac vs windows is mostly about the aesthetics and branding, not about the functionality of the OS or it’s technical features. They are just browsing social media and watching netflix for 95% of their time on it anyway.
If we’re talking post-year-2k macs, you’re de-facto going to skew the results as those were less affordable than budget family windows boxes.
Ignoring data to prove your hypothesis is correct sounds like polling.
Good studies correct for outliers.
To correct, you have to measure them first. How else would you know how much to correct. Measure the variable to control for it is basic good practice.
When I was 10, I installed BackTrack (now Kali Linux) because I liked its background and theme and thought it would look cool to show my classmates
God damnit.
I remember toting around a Linux textbook in 7th grade, because I had just started messing with it.
Same year I got my General and Advanced ham radio licenses.
Does this make me autistic?
7th grade in the US is about 12 years old.
Legitimate question, no judgment. When did you first get laid? If you have yet.
Same year I got my General and Advanced ham radio licenses
Damn, you sound like you were super cool haha
I’m not a doctor, so I won’t guess, but…what’s your favorite train?
“Allegheny” 2-6-6-6 articulated steamer. One of the most powerful steam locos ever made, 60 of them ran regularly for 20 years. No one cares about it because it’s tractive is lower (even though it has more traction) and it’s not the Union Pacific Big Boy.
I really dig futuristic ones similar to high speed rails. I do love variety between Steampunk/Solarpunk/Cyberpunk.
That’s easy, The Lionel No. 381E “State Brown” Passenger Cars are 🔥🔥🔥
no, it makes you an insufferable nerd though. especially if you went around telling everyone about how cool it was.
Hmmm… do you struggle with understanding sarcasm and figures of speech? Do you often feel like you are manually learning social norms like a robot, rather than understanding things intuitively? Does eye contact feel awkward? Do you often communicate in a literal manner and get misinterpreted as rude or blunt?
Do you feel upset or angry when plans or routines are changed/interrupted? Do you feel like you are overly hyperfixated on any specific topics or interests that you could ramble about for hours on end? Do you have problems with reading people’s intentions or emotions? Do you feel like you are overly sensitive to touch, noise, sounds, taste, or textures?
These are actual questions to think about. I say this as someone who’s been legitimately diagnosed since 2008. If you answered yes to all or most of these questions, it might be time to visit a doctor.
figures of speech
Speech lacks a physical form and thus cannot have a ‘figure’
The most important question when it comes to adult autism diagnoses: can you afford to talk to a doctor? I’m pretty sure my wallet would burst into flames like a vampire entering sunlight if I walked into a psychologist’s office
No, but I do think all of those things are generally kind of stupid and annoying, and frankly, boring as hell.
if anything if find the predictability of people’s norms and emotional reactions to be depressing as fuck. and their intentions, to be scary in how selfish they often are.
How has getting the diagnosis helped things for you?
I was a 4-year-old still only learning how to properly communicate on an age-appropriate level, so I needed specialised therapy. I had ABA therapy to teach me facial expressions, communication, and other things. I’m also legally disabled.
Shit, I shouldn’t have ordered that Ubuntu CD as a kid.
I wrote a program in Basic on my Commodore 64 at 6.
I didn’t know how to save my work. I typed and manually proofread code for three hours. It worked. The program was lost when I powered it down.
My brother in arms….
Our Commodore VIC20 came with a big book/manual which mostly taught you how to code. Was an awesome time.
Yeah the “OS” was essentially a basic interpreter and simple editor. I remember that book.
And trying to save your program on a cassette that would give you an error after 30 minutes.
I think it was pretty common back then to have no way to save. Spectrum zx. Amstrad 464. They didn’t initially have a media to save to. Then cassette tapes could be used. Software piracy was recording the tape, like copying a song.
Yeah, my first was a little Timex Sinclair and it didn’t have any media. But each button on the keyboard had a Basic command as an alt key, so I taught myself Basic with it. Many years later I got my BS in Computer Science, so I think it was a pretty worthwhile little computer.
I wrote basic on my Apple IIe.
I was all Apple/Mac until 1998 when I built a Windows gaming pc with high school graduation money. Learned to code in art school, after which I switched back to Macs when they went intel, built annoying but fun flash ads and games in AS2 (ECMAscript essentially), then when the iPhone came out I switched to hand coding HTML/CSS/JS web apps and got out of advertising.
Then learned Ruby/Sinatra/Rails/Haml/SASS and did straight web dev into the early days of both React, Angular and Vue. Then quit to do a tech startup with robots.
Now I CAD model original designs for fabrication projects, 3D printing and custom automotive designs.
So I’m pretty technically inclined, but I own 4 Macs, 3 Rpis, dozens of physical computing platforms, and a metric ton of salvaged sensors and ex-RadioShack components.
Holy crap, I did the same thing! My dad taught me the Random function (RND), which blew my mind. I tried creating a dungeon crawler text based game with random rooms. It was going to be awesome.
TI-99/4a for me, but after the first big loss of something that worked is when I found out there was a cassette adapter. My parents did not buy it new, it was maybe 5 or 6 years old by then, so finding a cassette adapter took some effort.
Worth it though IMO.
It’s like looking at a mirror. Only it was a Sharp HotBit (a Brazilian computer) and I was 7 or 8.
Heh, I was going to comment on my first being a C64 (technically a Vic 20 is the first I ever messed with, but I don’t really remember that one).
Counter argument: boomers who needed to type commands and swap disks to get a word processor loaded, who knew all the hotkeys required to issue commands and the alt-codes for special characters, who today cannot figure out where the file they were working on saved to.
those aren’t the same boomers.
All the ones in my life are.
Same. My dad worked as a call-out PC technician (among other things) and now can’t grasp cloud storage.
“I don’t want to save it somewhere else, I want to save it on my computer, but all my computers.”
I agree with your dad. Everything saved to the cloud is a privacy and usability nightmare. Many people have lost data forever because cloud services misplaced their files.
I’m GenX but this is me. I hate modern computing and the cloud in particular. SharePoint is a close second. I think the last excellent word processor was WordPerfect 5.1. Everything since then is worse than the version before it.
I do have sympathy for people who are trying to figure out SharePoint or mobile OS file systems which just arbitrarily change the rules.
The arbitrary rule changes! I have six different folders labelled “android sucks” because different apps are like “I can’t access any directory in your filesystem that I didn’t personally create.” Motherfucker this machine belongs to me. I created that directory. If I tell an app to access a directory, it should do as I command.
When I first got Tasker, it was life changing. Now I can’t even tell it to turn off my damn Bluetooth. I hate google with every fiber of my being.
SharePoint was tolerable when I could mount library as a drive. I could use it how I wanted, and the SP people could do what they wanted. But they removed that functionality and we’re trapped in an endless cycle of where-the-fuck-is-it and how-come-i-cant-search-for-it.
Discluded? I have another hypothesis.
I have a third hypothesis to add to the mix…
Disclude is a verb that means to exclude or omit something.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/disclude_v (sorry, paywalled).
Ditch OED, befriend Wiktionary
disclude (third-person singular simple present discludes, present participle discluding, simple past and past participle discluded)
(transitive)
(now nonstandard)
- To disclose, make known.
- To separate, keep apart.
- To exclude, not include; to remove from inclusion.
Okay, if a fucking dictionary is paywalled we have gone way beyond the red line for social recovery.
This is the correct response.
I don’t think the OED has ever been online for free. They took a different tack to Merriam-Webster and Cambridge, who figured that the ad money was lucrative.
Getting annoyed at paywalling is understandable, but we can’t demand that companies make their stuff free just because we want it to be free.
Eh dictionaries started out paywalled
Those who use the verb discluded should probably be discluded.
Even autocorrect discludes this as a valid word.
It’s perfectly cromulent
But what if OP remains intragnisent?
From the context it is clear what you mean.
Those who don’t embiggen this comment should be discluded from consideration.
Engagement bait?
I started in 1981 at 11yo with a ZX81 writing games in BASIC. In 1984 at 14yo I was cracking games on Amstrad CPC6128, Z80 assembly. At 18 in 1988 it was on PC in DOS (8086). Yes I installed Linux 0.99 on my 486 PC in 1992 or something.
Never touched an Apple device.
Same, except for having played a bit with Apple 2s. I’ve had a windows partition on and off to run steam, but it never held any data. Nowadays it wouldn’t serve any purpose of course.
Fair.
I started on mac computers in school because Apple supplied them. It was the 80’s. By time got to high school they were all PCs.
I started on an Apple computer older than a Mac, the Apple IIe, but my next computer was a Windows 3.1 one and I never went back to Apple.
My first computer was some kind of IBM with a floppy disk drive and Chip’s Challenge.
First computers at school were the iMAC G3s with Zoombinis
Hell yeah, Chips Challenge. I have a copy somewhere, want to sit down one day and beat it fully. Always had to stop since people needed to use the pc.
It had passwords so you could always start it back up on the level you were on. That game was too tough for me as a kid, it also got scary ha
