Sorry for the 
link but this isn’t really picked up anywhere else. Predictably, the same disgusting people (referring to H3, Destiny, etc) who spread the dubious “Hasan shocked his dog” stuff don’t care about this one, so it isn’t all over the internet.
I’m not posting this to own everyone who said they like Hasan, but I do think it’s an important thing to point out to any fans of his on this site that animal rights have always been a huge weak point for him. I’m a casual watcher who was tuning in for the China adventures, but 
so after the Panda zoo and this, I’m out for good.
Horse racing is such an obviously gross and abusive sport to anyone with sight to see it, so it’s annoying seeing how many people (though admittedly in collapsed comments) in his community just don’t care at all. Beyond the comments there, but in his chat in real time any time animal rights or veganism are mentioned.
Tangentially related, but 
s here should recognize that gacha slop like Uma Musume also funds horse racing (the franchise is basically PR for the Japan Racing Association) and is only a small separation from betting at the track. It was obnoxious seeing the wave of people talking about it at launch and seeing it plastered all over gaming sites, Steam, etc. Most people probably don’t think twice about it because horse girls in anime just ‘makes sense’ in a vacuum, but I want to bring more attention to the cruel industry by using that franchise and Hasan as a springboard.
Please educate your favorite streamer, celebrity, or whoever so they don’t use their platforms to promote animal abuse.
Edit: lmao their mods locked the thread that was significantly more supportive of the idea that races are abuse.
Tangentially related, but s here should recognize that gacha slop like Uma Musume also funds horse racing (the franchise is basically PR for the Japan Racing Association) and is only a small separation from betting at the track. It was obnoxious seeing the wave of people talking about it at launch and seeing it plastered all over gaming sites, Steam, etc. Most people probably don’t think twice about it because horse girls in anime just ‘makes sense’ in a vacuum, but I want to bring more attention to the cruel industry by using that franchise and Hasan as a springboard.
Objectively true and you’re right to say it.
Horse racing is a great test for basic decency.
It’s a “sport” where you watch horses get tortured to move quickly, and bet on which one you think will be the fastest. It is so obviously terrible and inhumane.
I wonder what the appeal is. To me it feels like people can go to a horse track to feel a little boujie, there is a taboo thrill from gambling, there’s the appeal that it’s tolerated or expected even that you’ll drink some alcohol. It serves as an event and a place to be seen. I’ve been dragged along as a kid once or twice and never wanted to go as an adult, it is almost an activity where even passively disliking it marks you for a buzzkill, let alone positively stating that it is animal abuse.
you’re probably onto something. there was a whole ‘it’s always sunny’ episode about that
yeah id much rather play online roulette while eating a bucket of KFC battery chicken
If you really wanted to target this, an effective approach would be to start with jumps. Last year in British horse racing for example 80% of all horse deaths were in jump racing. 156 total deaths were jumps. You’d cut that down to 30-40 if you just banned jump racing.
Last year in British horse racing for example 80% of all horse deaths were in jump racing. 156 total deaths were jumps
That’s an order of magnitude more horse deaths than I would have guessed. That’s fucked.
Jump racing is really really bad for the horses. Multiple horses die every year at the Grand National which has the biggest jumps. Very few people will disagree except tory shitters. Keep in mind, this is from a total of somewhere around 88,000 horses that participate in racing (combining both jump and flat) if i recall correctly. Flat still kills though through overexertion or falls, just nowhere near the same level, it’s really easy to convince people that jump racing is not good.
It all makes sense, I’m (… surprised that I’m) surprised to learn how much worse it is than flat racing. I grew up next to a horse competition facility that had and still has quite large jump meets every weekend. Super unnecessary.
Australia can’t even comprehensively ban dog racing. One state’s ban on the export of greyhounds for racing only comes into effect next year. Shits bleak.
I agree horse racing isn’t good, but also I’m not going to cancel someone for going once with friends. Some crit on it is appropriate of course, but also it’s important to keep it in greater context.
I’m not ‘canceling’ anybody, I’m refusing to materially support them in any way beyond the minimal amount I was doing prior and letting people know in case it’s also a red line for them. I’m not going to be posting about him every day like freaks were doing with the dog thing. But his reaction to people asking him not to go was to tell them to fuck off because he’s familiar with equestrian sports and knows they’re ‘treated well’. It’s part of a pattern of behavior going back several years to when he had a vegan video editor, Ostonox, trying to convince him he was being stubborn with his refusal to acknowledge animal rights are something even worth considering or talking about.
EDIT: If he comes back and says he regrets it because he somehow genuinely didn’t know, then whatever. But he’s known for doubling down when criticized because he has a huge ego. Also, a streamer with his view count doing it and advertising it is different than a random person doing it.
I’m not ‘canceling’ anybody, I’m refusing to materially support them in any way beyond the minimal amount I was doing prior and letting people know in case it’s also a red line for them.
You shouldn’t be materially supporting streamers at all anyway while people who actually need to money exist.
I never subscribed or donated anything. I meant more in the way that every view boosts the analytics.
But he’s known for doubling down when criticized because he has a huge ego. Also, a streamer with his view count[…]
getting a shitload of constant illegitimate “criticism” makes it hard to notice legitimate and correct critique. Hasan in particular also has ongoing defamation campaigns from zionists, classic nazis, and disgraced former governors.
Good luck getting him to notice or take in any legitimate critique under those circumstances. The only time i’ve seen anyone beyond a certain size do it was when FD Signifier talked to upstart youtube guy Deculturation.
I understand all that and it means his first reaction to just about anything is to pull up the chatter and tell them to fuck off, as he did in this case. But I can’t say that I’ve ever seen him publicly self reflect after the fact and change his mind either. This is something people have been trying to get him to pay attention to for years, before the recent all-out attacks. And I don’t think people would be giving him the same leeway if this involved any other sort of ism than speciesism, which is also to be expected but disappointing.
delete this now i’m warning you you’re gonna have 50 comments from Hexbears going “ok so you’re saying you hate Hasan Piker and think he should be fired out of a cannon??” or “you say you condemn horse racing but i see you previously have supported Palestine which has many horse racing tracks”
firing Hasan from a cannon sounds great actually. Doesn’t he have a long history of “accidentally” (not that I think he’s doing it willfully but when you have an audience above a certain size you have a responsibility to do your fucking homework) platforming liberal Zionists and then backtracking after he’s called out? That’s still ultimately carrying water for Zionists.
He’s also a lil weird about women. Paused the video he was watching once to call Karoline Leavitt hot
but yes keep those thoughts to yourselfI can see how she might be called conventionally attractive but I only feel disgust when seeing that shit face. Some people find evil hot however.
ITT: because Hasan gets disingenuous criticism, there’s no point in genuinely critiquing him because he treats everyone with the same reactive attitude.
Conclusion: that’s his problem, not mine. If he can’t help but lash out when people critique his lifestyle or the people he chooses to promote with his platform, that doesn’t mean that the left should stop critiquing him
I just don’t know if it’s a productive use of your time. He’s obviously not listening, as made clear by the way he responds, and frankly I doubt you’re getting through to too many of his fans who can’t see through it themselves. And the fans who can’t see through it are also likely to write the criticism off as equivalent to criticism coming from literal Nazis because Hasan speaks about both the same way.
Edit: I mean we have someone down thread arguing that horse racing is “culturally significant in Hong Kong” which they “learned from watching Hong Kong films”. These people are not open to the idea that Hasan is anything other than a perfect golden god and if you criticise him, they immediately jump to the idea that you’re just a hater. Anyone who is still a fan of the guy is constitutionally incapable of perceiving the texture of grass.
Conundrum: Hasan is still 70% bro, but sometimes says good things and does help pipeline libs.
Discuss this forever.
I’m not very familiar with horse racing but is betting on it more morally repugnant than eating meat? I agree that animal rights are a weak point for Hasan. At least one of the restaurants he was at served foie gras to his party.
Obviously I condemn eating meat in general too, but that’s an almost universal practice that one can understandably adopt from the overwhelming support it has from average people and the propaganda pushed by that industry. Attending a horse race is frankly no different than attending a cock fight though, in that it’s a more deliberate action that is only normalized among a smaller subset of the population and has significantly less practical justification for its existence (meaning feeding oneself). It’s also a lot more upfront about its violence, because you can watch horses trip and get significantly injured in real time. I’m not necessarily fixated on the betting part, I think even attending is a pretty repugnant thing to do. Then amplify that by essentially advertising it to thousands of people as a cool and good thing to do. Convincing my grandma to stop eating meat is impossible, but convincing her not to attend a cock fight is a lot easier.
not saying i view it this way but to your average person, horse races are completely normal. they think “horses go fast anyway may as well put money on it”. they don’t think that deeply about it. TONS of people bet on horses or think it’s a normal thing. not saying i do or saying that’s a good thing, but that it got normalized
Do you have the same criticism of China for hosting the horse racing?
WARNING!!
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT CRITICIZING A STREAMER?
HAVE YOU RECENTLY CHECKED TO MAKE SURE A COUNTRY OF 1.5 BILLION DOESN’T HAVE THE SAME THINGS GOING ON THERE THAT YOU’RE CRITICIZING THE STREAMER FOR???
Your comment is intentionally deceptive. You add the detail of the total population of China as if I am saying that every person in China participates in Horse Racing. You also “have you recently checked X country” as if it was not mentioned in the situation. Hasan did Horse Betting in Hong Kong, China. The location is completely relevant to the situation.
The reason that people criticize the streamer and not the other people in this situation is because they feel that they have a personal relationship with the streamer.
I think it more weird to micro-analyze the actions of a given person. People get more outraged when a streamer makes small mistakes because they feels that they are allowed to control over that person’s life.
Your comment proves this to be true. You try to make it seem as if it is absurd to criticize other people who are participating in the same situation. Why is it absurd to criticize the other people participating in the same situation? Why is it absurd to criticize the institutions that allow it to happen?
I am not saying to not criticize streamers.
Of course I would criticize any incident of horse racing in general. I’ve protested horse races, rodeos, etc in my area.
The reason I criticize the streamer in this case is because for better or worse, they’re considered a highly influential ‘socialist’ who has sway over thousands of people. I cant do anything from here to meaningfully stop horse races in another country.
Those people contribute directly to their income and the activities the streamer chooses to participate in. If he lost tons of subscribers after this event, he may very well start to consider why. Or as someone else said, just blame ultras. This is a form of control in the same way I analyze what politicians do and withhold or give a vote, funding, vocal support, etc. They’ve made the activities part of their public career and platform. It’s the same as criticizing a celebrity for literally anything.
The specific location is only relevant because lots of people have been watching him for the China exploration recently. I don’t care that it was a Hong Kong track, that doesnt make it better or worse than doing it in the US.
My guess is most people non-regulars here don’t know who his other co-streamers are, so I didn’t feel the need yto mention them specifically. But obviously the same criticism applies to them and to the rest of the attendees.
I also wouldn’t call this a small mistake and again believe nobody would be using that kind of language here if he did attend a bull fight, cock fight, dog fight, or even a rodeo where the only difference is the obviousness of the cruelty and immediate severity of injury.
I do think you’re being disingenuous by suggesting that I don’t also care about the gambling aspect, which is of course ruining thousands of lives through its proliferation. The gambling just wasnt the point of my post. I can be friends with someone who does sports betting (on basketball or whatever) while discouraging them from it, but I’m not going to be friends with a habitual horse better.
Your comment proves this to be true. You try to make it seem as if it is absurd to criticize other people who are participating in the same situation. Why is it absurd to criticize the other people participating in the same situation? Why is it absurd to criticize the institutions that allow it to happen?
my reply was just making fun of your pedantic ‘do you have the same criticism of china for hosting the horse racing’ comment because, like they said themselves in their own response to this, why wouldn’t the OP (or anyone opposed to horse racing to the point where they think people shouldn’t attend the races even as a novelty) have that same criticism???
I never said it was absurd to criticize China, HK, or any other country or people who live there who may also participate in the same activity or behavior being criticized. I don’t watch Hasan nor do I care about what he does. Your reply in general is trying to ascribe a lot of assumptions but instead of arguing i’ll leave you with this:
WARNING!!
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT CRITICIZING A STREAMER??
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT IT IS WEIRD, TO SOME, TO MICRO-ANALYZE THE ACTIONS OF A GIVEN PERSON? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED CRITICIZING THE INSTITUTIONS OR OTHER PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN THE SAME SITUATION INSTEAD OF THE STREAMER???
It was an honest question. Notice how I didn’t argue with their response to my question because I wanted to know what they think and not because it was a trick.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT IT IS WEIRD, TO SOME, TO MICRO-ANALYZE THE ACTIONS OF A GIVEN PERSON?
People should think about this. Substitute a different person into the situation. ex “I went to my barber over the weekend and my barber told me that they went to a Zoo. I’m making this post to make other people aware of my barber visiting a Zoo. I like my haircut but I can’t have my hair cut by someone who would visit a Zoo. If you get your hair cut by the same barber, consider changing your barber.”
He’s a hugely popular political journalist with a large platform who claims, to that audience, to subscribe to the same ideology that I do while simultaneously and consistently misrepresenting that ideology, often in egregious and even offensive ways. Criticising him is not the same as criticising a fucking barber.
China has One Country, Two Systems. They allow racing and gambling because they allow HK to be autonomous, for better or worse. It’s illegal on the mainland.
What is Hassan’s excuse?
Horse Racing is culturally significant to Hong Kong. I’ve noticed that it is culturally significant in Hong Kong films that I’ve watched.
Hasan didn’t go to Horse Racing because he wanted to win big or something. He went there because it is culturally significant to Hong Kong and he wanted to show westerners the real China. He streamed being at the Horse Race. It was his last day in China. He bet 1 time and won by coincidence.
He also went to a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor on another day. He said that he doesn’t believe in Chinese Medicine and he was afraid to try it. He went to it because he wanted to show Chinese culture and the Doctor was very happy to host them.
The post is written as if Hasan set up his own Horse Race Park. Gambling is a material relationship between 2 or more people. It doesn’t make sense to only criticize 1 person.
Zoo Pandas are also culturally significant to China. China owns the Pandas in zoos around the world through a leasing system. The OP criticizes Hasan for visiting Pandas at a Zoo. It makes me wonder if they are opposed China’s Panda Diplomacy policy.
It’s not a trick question. They could just say “Yes” or “No”.
Why is it culturally significant?
Starting horse races was basically the first thing the British did after colonizing Hong Kong. And for the first 70 years or so only colonizers were allowed in. Cultural relevants my ass.
Exactly.
Even if were somehow intrinsic to ‘the culture’ of Hong Kong, are we complete cultural relativists? Can we say nothing about bull baiting, dog fights, cock fights, ritual non-consenting mutilation, etc?
It’s cowardly and intellectually bankrupt to defer to cultural tradition.
Maybe Mongolia gets a pass
But only for archery.
I mean, it’s really only significant because the British colonizers introduced it. Beyond that it doesn’t actually have much importance in HK society. HK films only had it to appeal to Western audiences. This is a bit anecdotal but I come from a family of Hong Kong Chinese and I do not know anyone who ever engaged in Horse Racing while they lived there. If anything it was something almost exclusively enjoyed by White people until the late 20th century.
Furthermore, there are plenty of other sports that are played and enjoyed by many Hong Kongers that don’t involve animal abuse: Golf, Tennis/ Badminton, Football, hell even Pool are quite popular there. The HK government earlier this year finished building a huge shiny stadium in Kai Tak that was designed for all sorts of sporting events besides Horse Racing. It was also recently used for this year’s China National Games, which HK co-hosted alongside Macao and Guangzhou. Why didn’t Hasan show any of that off instead?
So, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to defer to “cultural significance” when criticizing an American-brained streamer for not being at least a bit sensitive to animal rights in a foreign country. I also don’t think OP was saying Panda diplomacy is wrong but is simply apprehensive to the idea of animals being caged in unnatural enclosures for entertainment. Yes zoos can abuse animals too and yes China has zoos, but so does every other country in the world.
The point is that it’s HK, which people here are generally happy to critique for a whole variety of reasons, and not ‘China’.
Mainland China is opposed to the gambling aspect, not the horse sport aspect. Horse-related sports are permitted on the mainland, just not betting on them. The OP doesn’t even criticize the gambling aspect.
That said I’ve also gambled on the races in HK, so not really my place to criticise.
idk if trying to critique Hasan like this does any good to the movement, since he deflects so much and calls many people asking him to change unrealistic ultra-leftists or some shit. Then he has a meltdown over it on stream which only ends up encouraging his fans to stay libbed up, because look the evil “radical left” made Hasan cry.
but maybe it will reach some of his fans and end up changing their mind.
Umamase or whatever the fuck that gacha game is called >>>>> horse racing
mambo as the kids like to say
If only you could divorce the two. Instead you get Cygames and a bunch of uma cosplayers at Santa Anita betting on actual races
proof that I know nothing about the horse gambling girls game
And you’re better for it
Hasan, because of his public life and the absurd amount of pressure and hatred directed at him, is going to keep doing ideologically incongruous things and he’s going to continue struggling very hard to change. He’s human and an american and a lib and anyone living that sort of life would need an extremely strong sense of self and powerful defense mechanisms just to keep showing up every day. I don’t think it’s possible for him to process criticism and properly assess it against all the trolling and sealioning he has to endure.
At a certain point it’s counter productive to pick fights with him, just use the occasion of his transgression as a topical prompt to share educational stuff with people who consume his slop.
Some things just aren't really worth trying to argue about IMO.
I sincerely believe he shocked the dog.
Yeah, it’s really up to his actual friend-group interactions - the people who know him as a person first. A smaller streamer might have a social relationship with their viewers and be meaningfully shaped by those interactions, but he has a vast and faceless audience. To an audience he’s first and foremost a tool for their satisfaction, which here involves his political stance, and critique intended to make him change in this function is the critique of a machine that can simply be broken apart and reconstructed to cut sharper and woke harder.
Like you say, better to focus on the audience themselves (though I guess there doesn’t need to be a difference in the style of presentation of it - I doubt Hasan is going to read any of this, so it’s all for the audience already).
I read Donkey Kong at first and was wondering what the bit was.
😔 thats a shame, I guess I gotta stop hyping cinderella grey smh.
