Sorry for the 
link but this isn’t really picked up anywhere else. Predictably, the same disgusting people (referring to H3, Destiny, etc) who spread the dubious “Hasan shocked his dog” stuff don’t care about this one, so it isn’t all over the internet.
I’m not posting this to own everyone who said they like Hasan, but I do think it’s an important thing to point out to any fans of his on this site that animal rights have always been a huge weak point for him. I’m a casual watcher who was tuning in for the China adventures, but 
so after the Panda zoo and this, I’m out for good.
Horse racing is such an obviously gross and abusive sport to anyone with sight to see it, so it’s annoying seeing how many people (though admittedly in collapsed comments) in his community just don’t care at all. Beyond the comments there, but in his chat in real time any time animal rights or veganism are mentioned.
Tangentially related, but 
s here should recognize that gacha slop like Uma Musume also funds horse racing (the franchise is basically PR for the Japan Racing Association) and is only a small separation from betting at the track. It was obnoxious seeing the wave of people talking about it at launch and seeing it plastered all over gaming sites, Steam, etc. Most people probably don’t think twice about it because horse girls in anime just ‘makes sense’ in a vacuum, but I want to bring more attention to the cruel industry by using that franchise and Hasan as a springboard.
Please educate your favorite streamer, celebrity, or whoever so they don’t use their platforms to promote animal abuse.
Edit: lmao their mods locked the thread that was significantly more supportive of the idea that races are abuse.
Do you have the same criticism of China for hosting the horse racing?
WARNING!!
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT CRITICIZING A STREAMER?
HAVE YOU RECENTLY CHECKED TO MAKE SURE A COUNTRY OF 1.5 BILLION DOESN’T HAVE THE SAME THINGS GOING ON THERE THAT YOU’RE CRITICIZING THE STREAMER FOR???
Your comment is intentionally deceptive. You add the detail of the total population of China as if I am saying that every person in China participates in Horse Racing. You also “have you recently checked X country” as if it was not mentioned in the situation. Hasan did Horse Betting in Hong Kong, China. The location is completely relevant to the situation.
The reason that people criticize the streamer and not the other people in this situation is because they feel that they have a personal relationship with the streamer.
I think it more weird to micro-analyze the actions of a given person. People get more outraged when a streamer makes small mistakes because they feels that they are allowed to control over that person’s life.
Your comment proves this to be true. You try to make it seem as if it is absurd to criticize other people who are participating in the same situation. Why is it absurd to criticize the other people participating in the same situation? Why is it absurd to criticize the institutions that allow it to happen?
I am not saying to not criticize streamers.
Of course I would criticize any incident of horse racing in general. I’ve protested horse races, rodeos, etc in my area.
The reason I criticize the streamer in this case is because for better or worse, they’re considered a highly influential ‘socialist’ who has sway over thousands of people. I cant do anything from here to meaningfully stop horse races in another country.
Those people contribute directly to their income and the activities the streamer chooses to participate in. If he lost tons of subscribers after this event, he may very well start to consider why. Or as someone else said, just blame ultras. This is a form of control in the same way I analyze what politicians do and withhold or give a vote, funding, vocal support, etc. They’ve made the activities part of their public career and platform. It’s the same as criticizing a celebrity for literally anything.
The specific location is only relevant because lots of people have been watching him for the China exploration recently. I don’t care that it was a Hong Kong track, that doesnt make it better or worse than doing it in the US.
My guess is most people non-regulars here don’t know who his other co-streamers are, so I didn’t feel the need yto mention them specifically. But obviously the same criticism applies to them and to the rest of the attendees.
I also wouldn’t call this a small mistake and again believe nobody would be using that kind of language here if he did attend a bull fight, cock fight, dog fight, or even a rodeo where the only difference is the obviousness of the cruelty and immediate severity of injury.
I do think you’re being disingenuous by suggesting that I don’t also care about the gambling aspect, which is of course ruining thousands of lives through its proliferation. The gambling just wasnt the point of my post. I can be friends with someone who does sports betting (on basketball or whatever) while discouraging them from it, but I’m not going to be friends with a habitual horse better.
my reply was just making fun of your pedantic ‘do you have the same criticism of china for hosting the horse racing’ comment because, like they said themselves in their own response to this, why wouldn’t the OP (or anyone opposed to horse racing to the point where they think people shouldn’t attend the races even as a novelty) have that same criticism???
I never said it was absurd to criticize China, HK, or any other country or people who live there who may also participate in the same activity or behavior being criticized. I don’t watch Hasan nor do I care about what he does. Your reply in general is trying to ascribe a lot of assumptions but instead of arguing i’ll leave you with this:
WARNING!!
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT CRITICIZING A STREAMER??
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT IT IS WEIRD, TO SOME, TO MICRO-ANALYZE THE ACTIONS OF A GIVEN PERSON? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED CRITICIZING THE INSTITUTIONS OR OTHER PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN THE SAME SITUATION INSTEAD OF THE STREAMER???
It was an honest question. Notice how I didn’t argue with their response to my question because I wanted to know what they think and not because it was a trick.
People should think about this. Substitute a different person into the situation. ex “I went to my barber over the weekend and my barber told me that they went to a Zoo. I’m making this post to make other people aware of my barber visiting a Zoo. I like my haircut but I can’t have my hair cut by someone who would visit a Zoo. If you get your hair cut by the same barber, consider changing your barber.”
He’s a hugely popular political journalist with a large platform who claims, to that audience, to subscribe to the same ideology that I do while simultaneously and consistently misrepresenting that ideology, often in egregious and even offensive ways. Criticising him is not the same as criticising a fucking barber.
China has One Country, Two Systems. They allow racing and gambling because they allow HK to be autonomous, for better or worse. It’s illegal on the mainland.
What is Hassan’s excuse?
Horse Racing is culturally significant to Hong Kong. I’ve noticed that it is culturally significant in Hong Kong films that I’ve watched.
Hasan didn’t go to Horse Racing because he wanted to win big or something. He went there because it is culturally significant to Hong Kong and he wanted to show westerners the real China. He streamed being at the Horse Race. It was his last day in China. He bet 1 time and won by coincidence.
He also went to a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor on another day. He said that he doesn’t believe in Chinese Medicine and he was afraid to try it. He went to it because he wanted to show Chinese culture and the Doctor was very happy to host them.
The post is written as if Hasan set up his own Horse Race Park. Gambling is a material relationship between 2 or more people. It doesn’t make sense to only criticize 1 person.
Zoo Pandas are also culturally significant to China. China owns the Pandas in zoos around the world through a leasing system. The OP criticizes Hasan for visiting Pandas at a Zoo. It makes me wonder if they are opposed China’s Panda Diplomacy policy.
It’s not a trick question. They could just say “Yes” or “No”.
Why is it culturally significant?
Starting horse races was basically the first thing the British did after colonizing Hong Kong. And for the first 70 years or so only colonizers were allowed in. Cultural relevants my ass.
Exactly.
Even if were somehow intrinsic to ‘the culture’ of Hong Kong, are we complete cultural relativists? Can we say nothing about bull baiting, dog fights, cock fights, ritual non-consenting mutilation, etc?
It’s cowardly and intellectually bankrupt to defer to cultural tradition.
Maybe Mongolia gets a pass
But only for archery.
If herding horses is you countries number 1 occupation you can put small children on horses for races from time to time.
I mean, it’s really only significant because the British colonizers introduced it. Beyond that it doesn’t actually have much importance in HK society. HK films only had it to appeal to Western audiences. This is a bit anecdotal but I come from a family of Hong Kong Chinese and I do not know anyone who ever engaged in Horse Racing while they lived there. If anything it was something almost exclusively enjoyed by White people until the late 20th century.
Furthermore, there are plenty of other sports that are played and enjoyed by many Hong Kongers that don’t involve animal abuse: Golf, Tennis/ Badminton, Football, hell even Pool are quite popular there. The HK government earlier this year finished building a huge shiny stadium in Kai Tak that was designed for all sorts of sporting events besides Horse Racing. It was also recently used for this year’s China National Games, which HK co-hosted alongside Macao and Guangzhou. Why didn’t Hasan show any of that off instead?
So, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to defer to “cultural significance” when criticizing an American-brained streamer for not being at least a bit sensitive to animal rights in a foreign country. I also don’t think OP was saying Panda diplomacy is wrong but is simply apprehensive to the idea of animals being caged in unnatural enclosures for entertainment. Yes zoos can abuse animals too and yes China has zoos, but so does every other country in the world.
The point is that it’s HK, which people here are generally happy to critique for a whole variety of reasons, and not ‘China’.
Mainland China is opposed to the gambling aspect, not the horse sport aspect. Horse-related sports are permitted on the mainland, just not betting on them. The OP doesn’t even criticize the gambling aspect.
That said I’ve also gambled on the races in HK, so not really my place to criticise.