• Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world
    27·
    6 days ago

    Look, I like Linux too, and I think governments should definitely use it to move away from Microsoft.

    But as long as prebuilt PCs and laptops are sold with Windows, people will stay accustomed to it and be way more hesitant to switch. You can tell them, ‘It works just like Windows! It just looks a bit different!’ Yet their minds will still think, ‘New = scary.’ and won’t use it.

    • Piatro@programming.devEnglish
      7·
      6 days ago

      The issue for me as a potential advocate to my immediate circle of friends and family is that I don’t want to become the only source of tech support. Now realistically they’ll probably have fewer issues, but as soon as they want to fix something they’ll have to come to me. No they won’t Google things, and if they do they won’t understand it.

    • Eugenia@lemmy.mlEnglish
      5·
      6 days ago

      That was true in the past. But in the last 10 years people have stalled their PC upgrades. That’s the real reason why they don’t move to Win11, because they don’t want to buy a new PC. And that’s where Linux is going to get that market from MS.

    • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 days ago

      There are more devices that ship with Linux or actively advertise support for it than ever tho. Of course far from the majority, but it’s a start that you can get basically anything with Linux if you want

  • polle@feddit.org
    24·
    7 days ago

    The windows 11 ads worked. I installed Linux a month ago and would say the transition is done and iam really happy.

    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
      1·
      1 day ago

      Same here.

      Migrated my home studio/gaming rig to Nobara this year. The only reason I have Windows still on a drive in my PC is because the sim racing titles I enjoy (mainly iRacing) use anti-cheat and I’m also a little bit scared of bricking my expensive peripherals trying to get them working on Linux. Seems like it’s very possible, but I’m still hesitant.

      That said, literally every audio peripheral I have works perfect, as well as all my VSTs. Concerning gaming, the only title in my steam library that is giving me issues is Counter Strike 2 which I’m not interested in playing right now anyway.

      10/10, would recommend migrating to Nobara.

      • polle@feddit.org
        2·
        16 hours ago

        Nice to her! Which vsts do you use? Sadly i stopped doing music some years ago, but i have bitwig and some bought vsts. I wondered using them will be an issue. Like if they have an installer for windows.

        • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
          1·
          14 hours ago

          I had a big Waves set for a long time but I spent a year away from home with nothing but a work laptop and got used to free and stock Reaper plugins only. I enjoyed the simplicity so much that I purged my VST list down to what I was using on that laptop. I have some Aberrant DSP, Valhalla, Voxengo, among others. Some instruments too, namely Surge XT, Cardinal, GGD Drums, Vital, Redtron Mellotron, and a couple guitar sims. That’s what I can think of right now.

          The plugins install via WINE just like they do on Windows, then you sync them with Yabridge for use with your DAW. It was pretty easy to get it all running.

    • yonder@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      7 days ago

      I wonder how many people would notice if when upgrading from windows 10 to 11, windows is replaced by KDE themed to look like windows 11.

      • Mio@feddit.nu
        2·
        5 days ago

        They will notice that their programs no longer work. .exe is not working. But my mom said: there is no longer any wait time at shutdown. She meant waiting for Windows update.

  • Mio@feddit.nu
    6·
    5 days ago

    This may lead to people looking for options. That is good for the competition.

    Linux may be ready to receive some of the users. Not in all areas. There is still work to be done. Unfortunately the users want to change now so it may be to other OS. Maybe MAC or Chrome OS. Unfortunately there is no easy transition or as camping for moving to Linux, like double click this .exe and migration begins.

    I moved to Fedora with KDE but that was only possible due to I am a power user. Average Joe will fail and find suitable replacement applications takes time.

    I hope some companies with money takes the opportunity to take care of those lost souls. Maybe Red har have money for TV ads?

    • kronarbob@lemmy.world
      1·
      4 days ago

      If i remember well, Chimera OS is what steam took inspiration of for steam OS.

      It is available for desktop. take a look on it :) .

    • Lightfire228@pawb.social
      9·
      7 days ago

      Unless Valve has said otherwise, I doubt SteamOS is going to be released for desktop. SteamOS is basically just Arch + kde plasma but with tweaks targeting the SteamDeck hardware

      • manicdave@feddit.uk
        2·
        7 days ago

        Is there really a significant difference between steamOS and using big picture mode + proton? I’ve had hardly any issues using steam on Ubuntu to play windows only games. Even Microsoft flight sim works despite trying it’s hardest to act like part of windows.

      • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 days ago

        KDE Linux to me sounds like the desktop Linux worth waiting for - although if you are willing to put in some work, EndeavourOS is half way there and available today

    • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      7 days ago

      KDEs Project Banana OS basically sounds like Steamdecks immutable Arch with Plasma

    • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      7 days ago

      there not many easy results for “arch based distro with KDE how to [do thing]” but there are a lot of Steamdeck tutorials and a SteamOS desktop version would make it better
      My yearly “I should try Linux again” cycle would probably stay permanently if Valve makes the OS

      • woelkchen@lemmy.world
        22·
        6 days ago

        People who just blindly copy and paste random commands without any transferable thinking shouldn’t use computers in the first place.

        • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          31·
          6 days ago

          everyone starts somewhere, it stars mindless then they eventually learn slowly but surely with a lot of mistakes. I did. I nuked my OS several times but now know a lot more about Linux because of it.
          If you apply that thinking then 9/10ths of the Linux community wouldn’t have ever started using it.
          Hell 99% of the non tech people I know IRL wouldn’t be able to send a text if that line of thinking is extended to them.

        • superkret@feddit.org
          12·
          5 days ago

          So they shouldn’t pay their bills, do their taxes, work?
          You can’t live without using a computer anymore.

      • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
        11·
        6 days ago

        Oh huh, Bazzite’s based on Fedora Atomic. What’s the one that’s just Windows under the hood? I remember being surprised, “why would people want to install THAT on a Steam Deck”?

  • boreengreen@lemm.ee
    26·
    7 days ago

    When new OEM PCs comes with Linux pre-installed is when stuff happens. Not before then. Windows 11 adoption will be slow cause of their exclusion of old hardware. That old hardware will be scrapped or people just keep Windows 10 on it, regardless of security warnings.

    The Desktop Linux experience, with gaming and all, seems pretty close to fulfilling everyone needs at this point. But it would not surprise me if Microsoft goes around paying OEM manufacturers to not bundle anything but windows with their products.

    • polle@feddit.org
      7·
      7 days ago

      I recently made the switch and motivated a friend who is still on win7 to go to linux. While installing and setting up his system i realised that you still need some konsole handling skills, that normal windows user not really have. To me thats normal, growing up with dos and win311, but if you started with win 2000 or later. Thats all new stuff.

      I think laptops/computers that are all ready setup completely usable, should be a thing, thought.

      • spookex@lemmy.world
        3·
        7 days ago

        I think that a lot of people are missing this, my first Windows was Windows XP, so I’m pretty much used to doing everything through a GUI

        • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          4 days ago

          Same, but I learned (rather quickly mind you) enough of the CLI to get by, and continue learning to this day. I looked up a few “Bash basics” and “linux terminal basics” videos on youtube and followed along like it was a class which really helped. And whenever I have to figure out how to solve an issue I have (for instance my airpods didn’t want to connect through the GUI at first) and it gives me a CLI fix (bluetoothctl in this case) I try to remember it, or I can always go “ah fuck what was that command again…” and search it again, or I put some of those in a textfile called linuxcommands.txt that I can reference back to, or I can try bluetoothctl -h for help, or man bluetoothctl for the manual for bluetoothctl (and that works with most CLI programs.) Honestly sometimes I prefer the CLI now.

          Now I need to learn all of the symbols and hotkeys and for loops and cool shit like that, but I’ll get there.

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      4·
      7 days ago

      But it would not surprise me if Microsoft goes around paying OEM manufacturers to not bundle anything but windows with their products.

      They already did that in the 90s

    • ngn@lemmy.mlEnglish
      41·
      7 days ago

      i dont think we’ll have any large amount of preinstalls until the anticheat problem is solved

      also you are just simply lying to yourself if you think desktop linux experience is fulfilling - i force my entire family to use linux and trust me the experience is not even close to being fulfilling for everyone

      • Eugenia@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        Anticheat is kernel compromise. No one should be using games that use that, or OSes that allow it.

        As for fulfillment, unless you need very specific apps to do your job, I’m sure it can be fulfilling with the right DE and distro. For me, I’m using Linux since 1998, and I still prefer Mint over Arch, for example. It just works.

        • ngn@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          i didnt say “we need kernel anticheat on linux” i said we need a solution for it

        • ngn@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          its a paradox and the manufacturers arent gonna be the ones to break it - why would they go out of their way to do linux preinstalls? they would gain literally nothing out of it (in fact they might lose money if they have a contract with ms)

    • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      It sounds like Valve is going to release SteamOS, so there could be a number of handhelds with Linux pre-installed soon.

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
    132·
    7 days ago

    If they aren’t smart enough to upgrade to 11 then they aren’t smart enough to switch to Linux

    • RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world
      6·
      6 days ago

      I doubt that people aren’t “smart enough”. I’ve seen the ads for windows 11 on my dad’s PC, they are literally full screen banners that guide you right to the upgrade. It couldn’t be more simple and obnoxious. The truth is that people simply don’t want Windows 11.

      • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
        3·
        6 days ago

        I would want Windows 11 if it wasn’t a total privacy nightmare. I have been a Windows user for a long time, but MS scared me away the moment the started requiring online accounts. Half my life is on my computer, they can fuck right off with that. Windows is generally pretty good for work computers, but I rather take my private business elsewhere

        • Valmond@lemmy.world
          2·
          5 days ago

          Well windowd have gon fown the shitter for work computers lately IMO.

          Everything is slow, not the programs you’re running but everything taken care of by the OS. Like right click to get the context menu, why does it take real time to pup up? Launch a script, same thing. It’s like everything you do is first “analysed” before you’re “allowed” to do it. Maybe not even locally.

          Also the OS shouldn’t get in the way, like you mistakenly write “python3” in the shell, suddenly the “windows shop” opens up, with the extra fuck you telling you that it hasn’t got that python3. Like wtf.

  • Mwa@lemm.eeEnglish
    81·
    6 days ago

    Think about this for a second,Why we use Linux on supercomputers and servers and even our phones and embedded devices,But at home we are forced to use Windows from what i heard its built on stolen code and Microsoft had so much mess ups in the past, and why do manufactures put this stolen code os from a company with alot of mess ups in the past on their Pcs.

  • Rookeh@startrek.website
    2·
    5 days ago

    I decided to set up Fedora on my new laptop as it was either take a chance on that or spend like 3 hours debloating a Win11 install.

    It’s been over 10 years since I last tried dailying Linux, we have come a long way in that time. Everything just worked out of the box. No fucking around needed.

    Even relatively niche stuff like my thunderbolt dock and the laptop’s fingerprint sensor was picked up. And, thanks to the investment Valve has been putting into Wine and Proton, pretty much every game I’ve tried has worked with no issue.

    Next time my desktop is due for a clean install I’ll definitely be doing the same there.

  • Raccoonn@lemmy.ml
    64·
    6 days ago

    Ah, yes, the mythical “Year of the Linux Desktop”—that elusive utopia Linux enthusiasts have been chasing since it’s creation. Newsflash: nobody cares. The year of the Linux desktop isn’t some grand global awakening; it’s just whenever you decide to stop whining about it and install the thing. For me, it was 2002, and guess what? My computer didn’t care either. It just worked. So stop waiting for some cosmic alignment of market share and app support. The year of the Linux desktop is when you make it. Now go forth and sudo (or doas) your destiny…

  • CrayonRosary@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    6 days ago

    I’ve been learning GIMP to replace Photoshop in preparation. So far, so good, but there are still things about GIMP I just dont get. Like, it’s seems impossible to paint onto a fully transparent layer because the paint tool doesn’t modify the mask as it goes. I don’t even want that layer to have an alpha channel, but it seems like you have no choice if you want a transparent layer.

    If you try to paint on a transparent layer, you just get… nothing. It’s so trivial in Photoshop to make a new layer and just paint into it, and I can’t figure it out at all in GIMP. (I really should ask in a forum, but I also feel like I shouldn’t have to.)

    Being able to script in Python to simulate Photoshop actions is both awesome and crappy. It’s awesome because of how powerful it is, but crappy that I can’t just whip up an action in seconds to make a quick, repeatable edit.

    I guess I’ll have to use a VM to run Autodesk Fusion. ☹️

    • tekino@pawb.social
      3·
      5 days ago

      After switching about 3 years ago, I tried running photoshop through wine. It was a little glitchy visually (I hear it’s ok nowadays though) so I tried gimp and just couldn’t get used to it. I tried krita and its perfect for what I use it for, very easy to use coming from photoshop. I’m not sure about actions as I don’t think I used them in Photoshop but it has plugins so you might be able to find something to replace what you used before

    • itsmect@monero.town
      2·
      5 days ago

      For home use FreeCAD might be an okey replacement for autodesk. It’s not as polished, but working well enough for simple geometrioes