When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?
White male wealthy supremacists?
Dammit! Foiled by racists once again!
…you’d think I’d put /s, but no.
I don’t doubt that is how the current supreme court would interpret it. This approach of asking “how the founding fathers would think” results in exclusion of non-white citizens. On the other hand, lack of atandardized identification documents in the USA result in this mess.
Are you under the impression that the founding fathers weren’t slave holders themselves?
No
This dystopia is starting to heat up 😬
Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
I remember that. He would usually say martial law. I think national emergencies are different and invoked more often by both Dems and GOP. Could be wrong
I don’t remember that actually. I’m not saying he didn’t say those things. I’m just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.
Operation Jade Helm
Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year
If he actually succeeds in doing this, guess who’s going to be made to fill in that hole.
This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.
Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.
The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.
Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).
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where are those loud mouthed lefties bemoaning, “both parties are the same!”?
cmon folks, don’t get mad this is what you wanted when you gave up your right to vote.
we’re just getting started on the find out part! stick around, it’s gonna be a doozy!
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edit: I just want to thank all the trolls for coming out. my blocked list has never been so full.
…what? Did anyone ever say that Harris and trump were the same? I’m not sure I ever heard that…
“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
This place was rife with bots spreading Jill Stein and Claudia de La Cruz propaganda and all of them have completely vanished.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Maybe they were humans who’ve realized how dumb they were and ceased posting? One can hope, anyway…
Not sure about others, but I was banned from a lot of communities for daring to speak of the inconvenient truths about Kamala. It could just be that the procensorship fascist left banned them all because they didn’t fall in line with the establishment talking points.
…What are the inconvenient truths?
Edit: Ah, I just looked at your removed comments defending Nazis and shit. Don’t care, nevermind. Don’t bother responding, I’ve already blocked you.
Yeah no you’re a liar and that is your modus operandi to claim anyone you want to silence is an antisemite Nazi supporter. I said it is illegal in the United States to beat people until they defecate. You do not get to be the judge, jury & executioner. You can’t claim to be against fascism while at the same time admitting you love the idea, just as long as it against people you don’t like. That thread devolved into people planning with details about how they would commit crimes, including advocating for murdering people, and encouraging people to do it… Some dad said they might but doesn’t want to go to jail, but who knows. Not sure why Lemmy is allowing people to promote and plan crime when it is against their ToS.
What are you talking about, we had Jill Stein zombies up the ass who are oddly gone missing
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
I’m not missing, not a zombie… some people cope easier with losing by pretending that antigenocide users are bots. I’m still here though amused that the Cheney-loving genocide supporters that lost still think they are morally and intellectually superior.
The blood of those Trump will kill are on your hands, not mine stranger.
My hands are clean. I didn’t support a genocide candidate. Any blood will be on the hands of the Kamala campaign for praising a war criminal and saying that she’d continue paying tax dollars to Israel to massacre innocent civilians.
How are people going to be selected for deportation? This feels eerily like what Hitler started doing with Jews.
It’s a pretext. And can expand to anyone the state doesn’t want around.
Deportation doesn’t have to be immediate, you could end up in a cage indefinitely.
Portland Oregon was a sneak preview of what Trump will do (Sending federal resources where they are explicitly not wanted, and kidnapping citizens)
This feels eerily like what Hitler started doing with Jews.
We tried to tell folks, but “Haris supports genocide!” won.
Well actually, folks tried to tell Harris stop supporting genocide or it’s Trump. You don’t blame voters, you blame the individual politician for not listening to the. Kamala is single handedly responsible for all of just as Hillary was.
No. You blame the voters for taking fascism over an imperfect candidate. If you didnt vote for Harris you are to blame and deserve everything that is going to happen.
She would’ve lost a ton of campaign funding if she did. It’s not that simple. Millionaire/billionaire interests also have a huge influence on the democratic party.
If you want to blame someone, blame the ultra-rich. They are the ones that have eroded democracy.
your ignorance is offensive and the fact that it’s willfully presented for all to see speaks volumes to the quality of your character.
you don’t even deserve this much of a response.
sort yourself out and observe what those opinions you hold so high will do to the world around you.
No, it is your own ignorance as why you lost and while you’ll lose again in 4 years unless you sort yourself out and observe what happened. We tried telling you… and it was always, “c’mon just support the genocide, it’ll be worse if you don’t.” Then it drifted to… “Kamala and Joe don’t help fund genocide, it is the Republicans that make them do it. Kamala is trying to protect the Palestinians from being mass murdered.”
What response? I’ve never seen such a long comment with zero actual content.
I absolutely blame some voters. Especially the ones who refused to vote for a female leader even though they didn’t like Trump. Especially the ones who refused to vote at all because neither candidate was “perfect”.
I can slice it many ways, but none of those ways are, “Kamala is single handedly responsible”.
I voted Kamala but lemme tell ya something, I sure as fuck dont blame anyone for NOT voting for her after pissing all over Palistinians, trotting out GOP war criminals as allies and basically giving half of GWB’s re-election speech at her nomination convention. I was all in on her despite her past actions but that DNC convention speech was horrifying. She made it REAL clear who she was planning to serve, and it was NOT Democrat voters.
Also, FUCK JOE BIDEN. I did NOT vote for that shithead because you don’t fucking vote for assholes that spend their entire goddamn lives in the Beltway on the public dole. He has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what is happening in American lives and HE is solely responsible for trump.
When enough voters say end the genocide or bust, don’t be surprised when you bust after announcing continued support for genocide.
Politicians need to learn to listen to voters. Do not blame voters for this trump presidentency, blame the DNC.
Cut off the nose to spite the face is quite apt here.
I blame the DNC plenty, but I don’t blame them solely. There are many, many people that deserve blame.
Things aren’t black and white, they’re blurred lines of grey.
If the voters say they’re black and white it doesn’t matter. The politicians need to play ball, not the other way.
If you’re thinking 'bout playing ball it don’t matter if they’re black or white, he hee.
Or we just need to guillotine the politicians.
I’m sick of playing a game to cater to them, they need to cater to us.
Well there’s this handy color wheel…
The NAZIs made Germany a slave labor nation-state.
That is what is happening here.
Trump thinks that the best way to avoid the last of the NY state trial is to create chaos and violence until we cry uncle.
So he’s gonna do what Biden shouldve done about the fucking MAGAts. It’s our patriotic duty to kill every goddamn one of those Nazi pieces of shit and yes that means your trump-loving mother
I love “subtle racism”.
Drive through rural America and see how many underpopulated small towns there are. Shuttered businesses for lack of customers. Abandoned buildings. These places need people.
Funny thing is that even the immigrants are smart enough to know the shouldn’t settle in these places because they’re going down the toilet. But the locals? We’re being ignored! Save our useless town with no economic prospects, no educated workforce, and no infrastructure to support anything worthwhile! No, of course we won’t move!. …while they proceed to vote against any social policy that might help them or their future generations out of their trap.
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No, of course we won’t move
Try “Can’t”
I don’t know why you city slickers think packing up all your shit and moving into a new house in a new town is free, but it isn’t. We ARE being ignored, worse than that, we’re being left to die.
You wanna get me outta the ruins of farmland? Send a bus to pick me up, make sure there’s a two month paid in advance hotel waiting for me when I get there, and have me a job waiting.
Tack on the attempts to maintain high/high quality amenities in sparsely populated, low tax revenue areas, and you have a nice fat deficit for your small town compounding that problem.
The east coast is densely populated. California and large areas of the west coast is densely populated.
But Ohio to the Rockies? Uhhhh…there’s corn. We got corn. Do you like corn?
Yeah. There’s a reason nobody can name anything in Nebraska. Nobodys ever been there. Not even sure they have corn there.
I’m from Iowa and have been through Nebraska (no one stops in Nebraska) and I’m here to report: yes, they do have corn there.
The east coast has more big cities than those other places, but there are still. HUGE number of teeny-tiny dying towns all up and down the eastern seaboard.
Don’t worry. This isn’t the only Trump plan that will tank the economy. I just wish the rest of us didn’t have to suffer because of all those idiots not paying attention.
Yeah but they don’t want those people. Now who are those people they don’t want? Brown people, black people, queer people, woke people, educated people, different people…
It’s kind of wild to me how many really small towns there are in the US. About 32% of towns in the U.S. have less than 500 residents.
For comparison, here in Brazil I lived most of my life in a town with ~35K residents and it was already considered a small rural town. Some of my family lives in a neighboring town with ~11K residents, and even in my hometown people joke about how small it is, and that there’s basically nothing going on there. 1288 of towns in Brazil have less than 5K residents, or about 23.1%, and there are no towns with less than 500 residents. Meanwhile in the US 76% of towns have less than 5K residents.
Again, it’s just kind of wild to me. I remember playing (reading?) the Echo VN and thinking “Man, a dying town with only 50 people? That doesn’t sound realistic,” but apparently that’s way more common than I thought.
My slightly educated guess would be that’s a consequence of America’s race westward in the 1800’s, only stopping long enough to annihilate the indigenous population and set up a rest stop for the next batch.
Railroads played big role. Trains needed more water or coal to run the engine. So every 15 to 20 miles or so, depending on terrain, a water depot was erected, and there a new town popped up. Some survived. Some didnt. Few are thriving. Just pull up a map and follow a rail line in the great plains region of the usa. Then just measure it out. Its impossible to miss once you notice it.
It’s more modern than that. I don’t have time to look for stats, but I believe there’s been general migration to cities for like half a century or more
Of course, but I’m talking about why all these little towns existed in the first place. It’s not like they were all bustling metropolises before everyone left. ;)
We also have “towns” that are insufficient in size and unlisted or are under another towns “address”. A town near me has less than 1000 people and that includes the towns under it that are 3-5mi apart.
We tried this before and it sucked then, too.
For whom? The people being deported? Or for the overall effectiveness of the plan?
I’m pretty sure there was a damaging mass deportation during the Great Depression that deported mostly american citizens to Mexico.
Operation Wetback. Yes, that’s what they called it
The Dark Ages truly are still here
Operation Wetback?
Well see ya later, Melania
Maybe that’s his plan. He doesn’t like the prenup and wants to marry that ghoul Loomer so he’s doing this to get her deported and the marriage annulled. Then he’ll use government money to put on a huge wedding and try to have a baby immediately. Everyone knows if you’re president when you have a kid the government is on the hook for support. Unlimited money!!!
It’s 12-D chess!!!1!
I seriously doubt Diaper Don even knows the rules to regular chess.
Spoken like a person who doesn’t even know how to get their kid unlimited money. You’re just mad that you can’t marry that perfect ball of plastic surgery and hatred.
Correct, in the 1930s, I saw someone post about it recently. I don’t know the motivation then, but the tactic will be used this time to target any group. Maybe even used for “other activities” when deportation becomes logistically difficult.
I feel like to the people doing the deporting this time, they wouldn’t care. The point is to be damaging.
Both.
The Wilson/Coolidge Era was nightmarish for immigrants, with a host of laws targeting East Asian migrants and displacing uncountable numbers of industrial workers particularly along the West Coast.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback set off a wave of police terror along the Gulf Coast, crippled the agricultural economy, and killed hundreds of migrants forced into transit.
The current border policy funnels hundreds of thousands of migrants through an inhospitality Texas/Arizona desert region that’s killed around 10k-50k people in the last decade.
None of it actually curbs immigration. It all just becomes a black market affair, affording employers a tool to depress wages and cartels an opportunity to press-gang border residents into cattle slavery.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback
Just in case you didn’t understand the motivation
chattel* slavery
Are they planning to finish that border wall? Looks like it’s about halfway complete.
Funneling migrants into the desert to die isn’t a bug, it’s a feature
The people being deported AND the people who weren’t.
Yeah, we definitely need less people in this country. I’m sure it’ll help fill all the job vacancies and increase productivity and GDP.
I will make sure to bring this up when any republicans complain that are so many vacancies because no one wants to work anymore.
Lebensraum.
It doesn’t need to be a real problem, for them to make it one.
The immigrant work force will still be there, they’ll just be put in camps and forced to work for nothing, while white working class people are sold the idea of “claiming back” “their” land, while the capitalists take it all over in their name (and never share any of the profits or benefits, of course, with a new scapegoat as for why as they need it).
Strictly speaking of productivity without justifying Trump’s plan in any way - labor shortage increases productivity. Cheap labor decreases productivity. Expensive labor forces capitalists to invest in new equipment and training to be able to produce the same output with fewer labor hours. Simple example - fastening the same number of bolts using manual screwdrivers in more hands vs electric screwdrivers in fewer hands.
Outside of that, removing a significant portion of the population at any one time would be significantly disruptive in many regards.
This move actually makes zero fucking sense. Having people in our country who are willing to work less money than the average citizen labor costs are low. That basically means more money for him and his oligarch buddies.
He’s already won the election. He doesn’t have to keep posturing like this. And he’s not going to be elected again, so either he (hopefully) has no third term, or he’ll prevent the 2028 elections from being free and fair.
My prediction is that nothing will actually come of this and he’s saying this to keep his approval rating high.
Either that or he’s even more racist than he is greedy and self-centered
if it doesn’t make sense, change your perspective.
why would a leader with strong ties to one of the nations strongest enemies want to damage or destroy the economy and the will of the people?
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He’s already won the election. He doesn’t have to keep posturing like this.
That was never his end goal, and you’re naive to think otherwise.
As for the rest, you’re missing a key step - to get them all “deported”, first they need to be rounded up, and put in camps (we already past this point a while back), and then since they’re already in camps, they might as well be put to work. For free (another point we’ve past). When they start dying off in big enough numbers for it to affect production, there will be another group marked for “deportation” and rounded up for their turn.
This isn’t fascism’s first fucking rodeo, and it isn’t only now getting started, it has been in motion for a good while now.
Interesting note: The camps started under Obama, certainly continued under trump, and only continued ramping up once Biden took over, not decreasing. Something tells me that Kamala wasn’t going to buck that trend, it seems to be a bipartisan effort.
passed*
“We passed that point”
“We’ve passed that point”
“We’ve gone past that point”
“We’re past that point”
The past tense verb of pass is passed. The adjective/adverb/noun is past.
But it might be hard to fix without losing your link, so we’ll give you a pass.
we’ll give you a pass.
I don’t need your pass, my point is perfectly clear, you’ve contributed nothing to the conversation
Actually serves pretty well if one’s goal were to further destabilise things. People have already been convinced that illegal immigrants are to blame for all economic problems (even though it is easier to prove the extreme opposite through a cursory search on the internet), maybe if the downward slope is gentle enough, people won’t start doubting the efficacy of the initially applied solution. Maybe the point was to get them to the next level, get them angry at something else after everything is done with the false problem.
I just don’t see Trump actually wanting what’s his version of “best” for the country. I think he’s on a power play, and the country’s just the kindling.
Maybe I’m talking complete nonsense, but this feels like a… logical escalation. To what, I cannot fathom, although we’ve seen similar movements preclude Totalitarian/Authoritarian regime solidification periods before, where the desperate masses clung to the wrong solution.
I just want to point out that declaring a state of emergency to “deal with” illegal immigrants will allow the construction of large camps all over the country where undesirables can be ‘concentrated’ for ‘processing’.
After rounding up illegal immigrants, maybe they’ll invalidate the status of legal immigrants that knowingly employed, illegal immigrants. Or housed illegal immigrants. Or defended illegal immigrants. Of course these people will need to be detained in the same camps while it all gets processed.
The condition of the camps won’t be great, maybe the detainees can work in specially approved facilities while immigration status gets processed, this will help alleviate the cost of camp maintenance and improve living conditions.
Maybe the detainees can be rented out to local plantations to subsidize the cost of feeding them.
Later one. For sure.
Nothing cheaper than using the military, no siree. What’s the going rate for toilet seats at the Pentagon these days?
$30k, about 50% more than hammers
tho that’s in 1996 dollars
The whole toilet seat thing is as misunderstood. If the Air force needs a new toilet seat for one of it’s jets, and that jet isn’t in production anymore, and you can’t just go to homedepot for aircraft parts, then you have to order a bespoke seat.
Now setting up the tooling for an injection molded plastic seat, only to produce a limited run, maybe in the dozens, $10,000 per seat is a reasonable price.
I’m sure the Pentagon buys toilet seats at the regular price. The interesting thing about Pentagon bathrooms is that it has double the number it needs because of segregation.
There also the fact that the government has to buy domestic as much as possible. Not to say they don’t use corruption to transfer wealth via those contracts.
Wait till you see how much Boeing charges for soap dispensers
There are dark days ahead.
Winter is coming.
