I’m on a mailing list for Claudia and got this today. Kind of funny since last week the Democrats tried kicking de la Cruz off of the Georgia ballot.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    55·
    3 months ago

    Shameless fucking ghouls I am glad they have dropped all pretense of being any better than the fascists they claim to oppose.

    That recent interview where she said she wouldn’t ban fracking, wouldn’t stop arming genocide, wouldn’t even support M4A which is almost as close to universally popular as any thing the American people agree on.

    They won’t stop fascism, she even said she would be open to have a republican in her cabinet.

    I also heard some dumb fuck lib the other day speaking positively of Gavin Newsom, believing the bullshit about him actually wanting to help homeless people by getting them off the street and into housing which is obvious bullshit but I repeat myself.

    Don’t let these people gaslight themselves.

    Bully them fucking all, and I don’t necessarily mean go out of your way to be mean to them IRL (I will but I understand not everyone is safe or capable to do this)

    But by all fucking means we have enough receipts at this point to shut down any harm reduction argument.

    At least with republicans at the helm libs were more willing (not by much but demonstrably more so) to actually get out and go to a protest or something even if it only served as a place to have them mad enough to be open to getting agitated by our bolder comrades.

    Fuck every single one of them.

    Anyone that I know in my life that still votes for one of these people after the next political discussion they start with me is irredeemable and I consider my enemy.

    Fuck these people so fucking much.

        • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
          28·
          3 months ago

          You said:

          Fuck every single one of them.

          If we do as you suggest, what is your approach to running the country? What alternative do you propose? Who are you recommending to vote for instead?

          • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            58·
            3 months ago

            Who are you recommending to vote for instead?

            What gave you the impression in my above post that I recommend you vote for any of these fascists?

            If that is literally all you took away from that you have a terrible imagination and are operating under peak capitalist realism and liberal brain rot.

            • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
              29·
              3 months ago

              If you’re not going to “vote for any of these”, what is your plan?

              How are you proposing to run society, get food, healthcare, education, have roads, clean water, internet connectivity, power, law, and all the other things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today?

              • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                45·
                3 months ago

                Different people here will have different methods, this is a Left-Unity instance, though most are Marxists or Anarchists.

                How familiar are you with Leftist Theory?

                • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
                  17·
                  3 months ago

                  I live in a country where, unlike the US two party system, political parties span the entire range. So much so that it appears that at the extremes there is little to differentiate between them.

                  I’m familiar with their “solutions” to complex issues.

                  I think H.L. Mencken captures it best:

                  “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.”

                  In other words, being a society is complicated, it’s messy and ultimately a reflection on human nature.

                  So, pick your path as best as you can. This is what I try to carry with me:

                  Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

                  Source: https://www.desiderata.com/desiderata.html

                  • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    44·
                    3 months ago

                    I live in a country where, unlike the US two party system, political parties span the entire range. So much so that it appears that at the extremes there is little to differentiate between them.

                    There exists no such country where Communists, Liberals, Anarchists, and fascists all compete in some grand electoral game.

                    I’m familiar with their “solutions” to complex issues.

                    These are?

                    In other words, being a society is complicated, it’s messy and ultimately a reflection on human nature.

                    Don’t see the point of this comment, you’re implying we have simple worldviews and yet you think Human Nature matters at all, as though it isn’t shaped by Material Conditions and changes with Mode of Production throughout history. You just say “it’s complicated,” shrug, and offer nothing, no suggestion nor critique of Leftism.

                    I ask again, how familiar are you with Leftist Theory?

                  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    31·
                    3 months ago

                    I live in a country where, unlike the US two party system, political parties span the entire range

                    No you don’t

                    I’m familiar with their “solutions” to complex issues.

                    So you’re familiar with Marx? What a coincidence, so am I CommiePOGGERS

                    Ok, let’s confirm your “familiarity” with the most basic question imaginable…

                    According to Marx how many sources of profit are there?

                    In other words, being a society is complicated, it’s messy and ultimately a reflection on human nature

                    Define human nature, use as many words as you need

                  • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                    17·
                    3 months ago

                    I live in a country where, unlike the US two party system, political parties span the entire range.

                    Entire range of neoliberalism maybe.

              • Preston Maness ☭@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                41·
                3 months ago

                How are you proposing to run society, get food, healthcare, education, have roads, clean water, internet connectivity, power, law, and all the other things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today?

                The party in question (PSL) actually has taken a stab at what their vision of the first ten years of a socialist United States would look like:

                https://1804books.com/products/socialist-reconstruction-a-better-future

              • The_sleepy_woke_dialectic [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                34·
                3 months ago

                What does any of that have to do with the specific neoliberal system we live under? Do you think if we didn’t have a gerrymandered, bourgeois, “democratic” republic exactly like this one society would immediately collapse?

                Your comment seems to imply you think the range of stability stretches from Kamala to Trump.

                • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
                  15·
                  3 months ago

                  Your comment seems to imply you think the range of stability stretches from Kamala to Trump.

                  I don’t live in a country where those are voting options, so no.

                  I was attempting to ask the OP what they were planning if they didn’t like either of those choices, but it seems that question has gone unanswered.

                  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    26·
                    3 months ago

                    I don’t know what you want @Nakoichi@hexbear.net to specifically say, but they’re a left wing anarchist, so thats the alternative being proposed. There are centuries of books on what leftists want, it’s not a mystery or something we avoid talking about.

                    We’re not liberals who are advocating for making tweaks or legislation. We don’t want to operate the current situation. We want to overthrow the current social arrangement and elevate the working class to the status of dominant political and economic authority. The particulars of how the working class will exert this dominance has to get figured out on the way because of things like geography, culture, historical conflict, etc.

                    So we don’t have the answer on how exactly a socialist America would look, because we don’t even have a united front yet to realistically take power. Why worry about what color the drapes are gonna be if we don’t even have a foundation yet?

              • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                18·
                3 months ago

                How are you proposing to run society, get food, healthcare, education, have roads, clean water, internet connectivity, power, law, and all the other things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today?

                Well first you should stop voting for people who are responsible for degrading the government’s ability to sustain all of those things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today, that includes Republicans and Democrats

                Before advancing any prescription, the principle of DO NO HARM must first be applied, that holds true in medicine as well as politics

                Also helps to have a basic education in concepts that seem to be out of your depth like; Socialism, leftism…or general anti-fascism

          • tocopherol [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            24·
            3 months ago

            The alternative and only true harm reduction for the world is to reduce any power the US has, build alternative structures of material support outside of the state, sabotage the military industrial complex, grow more of your own food if possible and arm yourself and your comrades. Voting accomplishes none of this and only legitimizes a murdering band of thieves that run this shithole.

      • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        22·
        3 months ago

        There are other options besides voting blue and expecting different results. Reform the DNC has been going on since MLK days. Belafonte said MLK before he was assassinated was worried about integrating into a burning house and that perhaps the Democratic party isn’t salvagable - in 2005 to then Senators Obama and Clinton.

        Lawrence O’Donnell said when he working in the DNC they didn’t have to listen to anything on the left. That if we wanted to move the party we had to show them we were capable of not voting for them. That this illusion we had no where to go breaks.

        Right now the majority is doing the insane ritual of doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. wall-talk

        People don’t understand that the DNC and hillary-contempt made cheeto-man . With the Pied piper strategy. to throw people into a game of existential chicken. They use Trump as a shield while they became the party of Bush and Cheney.

        If anything is to be learned from flattened-bernie’s campaigns is The Democrats are NOT “the left”. collusion. “The Left” needs to drop them and that is on the DNC, not the voters. That is their policies and corruption. No amount of #FrauDSquAd AyyyyyOC-big turncoats death-to-the-poor good-morning is going to change that. The DNC is where progress goes to die. That is their function. They protect the crap-it-all-ist class from the left.

        Look at California. Super majority Democrats. 5th largest economy in the world. Deliberately shuts down Universal Healthcare - thrice. Obama had a chance to do a public option - it’s what he campaigned on and had the means to do with after the disater of no-oil . Nope Obamacare, aka Romneycare - a republican plan. And still medical debt is crushing people to death and costs, even with insurance, scare people away from seeking care.

        We are always met with maybe-later-honey “how you going to pay for it” and maybe-later-kiddo “maybe later kiddo” while they pull out billions and trillions for war and corporate hand outs - no question.

        The same old hold your nose and consent to the “nice / joy” cop top-cop committing genocide is tried and fried. There is no pushing that party left - especialy when they disgustingly support modern fascism and genocides.

        Country needs a hard course correcting change not kicking the can down another generation.

      • Rom [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        20·
        3 months ago

        Overthrow the unjust capitalist system and seize the means of production for the working class.