I’m on a mailing list for Claudia and got this today. Kind of funny since last week the Democrats tried kicking de la Cruz off of the Georgia ballot.

      • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
        -6•2 months ago

        You said:

        Fuck every single one of them.

        If we do as you suggest, what is your approach to running the country? What alternative do you propose? Who are you recommending to vote for instead?

        • Nakoichi [they/them]English
          58•2 months ago

          Who are you recommending to vote for instead?

          What gave you the impression in my above post that I recommend you vote for any of these fascists?

          If that is literally all you took away from that you have a terrible imagination and are operating under peak capitalist realism and liberal brain rot.

          • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
            -7•2 months ago

            If you’re not going to “vote for any of these”, what is your plan?

            How are you proposing to run society, get food, healthcare, education, have roads, clean water, internet connectivity, power, law, and all the other things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today?

            • Rom [he/him]English
              49•2 months ago

              Do you think only capitalists are capable of doing those things?

            • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]English
              45•2 months ago

              Different people here will have different methods, this is a Left-Unity instance, though most are Marxists or Anarchists.

              How familiar are you with Leftist Theory?

              • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
                -6•2 months ago

                I live in a country where, unlike the US two party system, political parties span the entire range. So much so that it appears that at the extremes there is little to differentiate between them.

                I’m familiar with their “solutions” to complex issues.

                I think H.L. Mencken captures it best:

                “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.”

                In other words, being a society is complicated, it’s messy and ultimately a reflection on human nature.

                So, pick your path as best as you can. This is what I try to carry with me:

                Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

                Source: https://www.desiderata.com/desiderata.html

                • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]English
                  44•2 months ago

                  I live in a country where, unlike the US two party system, political parties span the entire range. So much so that it appears that at the extremes there is little to differentiate between them.

                  There exists no such country where Communists, Liberals, Anarchists, and fascists all compete in some grand electoral game.

                  I’m familiar with their “solutions” to complex issues.

                  These are?

                  In other words, being a society is complicated, it’s messy and ultimately a reflection on human nature.

                  Don’t see the point of this comment, you’re implying we have simple worldviews and yet you think Human Nature matters at all, as though it isn’t shaped by Material Conditions and changes with Mode of Production throughout history. You just say “it’s complicated,” shrug, and offer nothing, no suggestion nor critique of Leftism.

                  I ask again, how familiar are you with Leftist Theory?

                  • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
                    -7•2 months ago

                    There exists no such country where Communists, Liberals, Anarchists, and fascists all compete in some grand electoral game.

                    Australia does, as far as I’m aware, have political representation for all of those alternatives and provided me the opportunity to vote for any of them, although we tend to dislike the fasists since they have a tendency to want to end society.

                • CyborgMarx [any, any]English
                  31•2 months ago

                  I live in a country where, unlike the US two party system, political parties span the entire range

                  No you don’t

                  I’m familiar with their “solutions” to complex issues.

                  So you’re familiar with Marx? What a coincidence, so am I CommiePOGGERS

                  Ok, let’s confirm your “familiarity” with the most basic question imaginable…

                  According to Marx how many sources of profit are there?

                  In other words, being a society is complicated, it’s messy and ultimately a reflection on human nature

                  Define human nature, use as many words as you need

                  • @DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                    9•2 months ago

                    Hey! Their country is completely different! Unlike the US, which just has a far right and right wing party, they have both of those and a centre party, and a vaguely centrist party that claims to be left that never gets elected! It’s completely different!

                • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]English
                  31•2 months ago

                  “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong.”

                  omg i can understand the basics of general relativity without shitting myself to death. time to throw it into the trash!

                  also if you think marxism or communism is simple and clear than you have absolutely zero clue about any of it

                  • heggs_bayer [none/use name]English
                    30•2 months ago

                    I looked up the guy that quote was from, and umm…

                    As an admirer of the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, he was an outspoken opponent of… representative democracy… which he viewed as a system in which inferior men dominated their superiors

                    He seemed to show a genuine enthusiasm for militarism but never in its American form. “War is a good thing,” he wrote, “because it is honest; it admits the central fact of human nature… A nation too long at peace becomes a sort of gigantic old maid.”

                    Mencken recommended for publication philosopher and author Ayn Rand’s first novel, We the Living and called it “a really excellent piece of work”. Shortly afterward, Rand addressed him in correspondence as “the greatest representative of a philosophy” to which she wanted to dedicate her life, “individualism” and later listed him as her favorite columnist.

                    In addition to his identification of races with castes, Mencken had views about the superior individual within communities. He believed that every community produced a few people of clear superiority. He considered groupings on a par with hierarchies, which led to a kind of natural elitism and natural aristocracy. “Superior” individuals, in Mencken’s view, were those wrongly oppressed and disdained by their own communities but nevertheless distinguished by their will and personal achievement, not by race or birth.

                    Bufe [wrote] that some of Mencken’s statements were “odious”, such as his claim in his 1918 introduction to Nietzsche’s The Anti-Christ that “The case against the Jews is long and damning; it would justify ten thousand times as many pogroms as now go on in the world”.

                    how-compellingsmuglordwall-flipped

            • Preston Maness ☭English
              41•2 months ago

              How are you proposing to run society, get food, healthcare, education, have roads, clean water, internet connectivity, power, law, and all the other things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today?

              The party in question (PSL) actually has taken a stab at what their vision of the first ten years of a socialist United States would look like:

              https://1804books.com/products/socialist-reconstruction-a-better-future

            • The_sleepy_woke_dialectic [he/him]English
              34•2 months ago

              What does any of that have to do with the specific neoliberal system we live under? Do you think if we didn’t have a gerrymandered, bourgeois, “democratic” republic exactly like this one society would immediately collapse?

              Your comment seems to imply you think the range of stability stretches from Kamala to Trump.

              • Onno (VK6FLAB)English
                -4•2 months ago

                Your comment seems to imply you think the range of stability stretches from Kamala to Trump.

                I don’t live in a country where those are voting options, so no.

                I was attempting to ask the OP what they were planning if they didn’t like either of those choices, but it seems that question has gone unanswered.

                • Rom [he/him]English
                  41•2 months ago

                  Multiple users have directly answered your question, don’t play dumb.

                • axont [she/her, comrade/them]English
                  26•2 months ago

                  I don’t know what you want @Nakoichi@hexbear.net to specifically say, but they’re a left wing anarchist, so thats the alternative being proposed. There are centuries of books on what leftists want, it’s not a mystery or something we avoid talking about.

                  We’re not liberals who are advocating for making tweaks or legislation. We don’t want to operate the current situation. We want to overthrow the current social arrangement and elevate the working class to the status of dominant political and economic authority. The particulars of how the working class will exert this dominance has to get figured out on the way because of things like geography, culture, historical conflict, etc.

                  So we don’t have the answer on how exactly a socialist America would look, because we don’t even have a united front yet to realistically take power. Why worry about what color the drapes are gonna be if we don’t even have a foundation yet?

            • CyborgMarx [any, any]English
              18•2 months ago

              How are you proposing to run society, get food, healthcare, education, have roads, clean water, internet connectivity, power, law, and all the other things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today?

              Well first you should stop voting for people who are responsible for degrading the government’s ability to sustain all of those things that make it possible for you to express yourself here today, that includes Republicans and Democrats

              Before advancing any prescription, the principle of DO NO HARM must first be applied, that holds true in medicine as well as politics

              Also helps to have a basic education in concepts that seem to be out of your depth like; Socialism, leftism…or general anti-fascism

        • Awoo [she/her]English
          41•2 months ago

          Who are you recommending to vote for instead?

          Claudia & Karina are objectively the only lesser evil in america. Guess who just got blurred out in this picture? Their party.

        • tocopherol [any]English
          24•2 months ago

          The alternative and only true harm reduction for the world is to reduce any power the US has, build alternative structures of material support outside of the state, sabotage the military industrial complex, grow more of your own food if possible and arm yourself and your comrades. Voting accomplishes none of this and only legitimizes a murdering band of thieves that run this shithole.

    • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]English
      22•2 months ago

      There are other options besides voting blue and expecting different results. Reform the DNC has been going on since MLK days. Belafonte said MLK before he was assassinated was worried about integrating into a burning house and that perhaps the Democratic party isn’t salvagable - in 2005 to then Senators Obama and Clinton.

      Lawrence O’Donnell said when he working in the DNC they didn’t have to listen to anything on the left. That if we wanted to move the party we had to show them we were capable of not voting for them. That this illusion we had no where to go breaks.

      Right now the majority is doing the insane ritual of doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. wall-talk

      People don’t understand that the DNC and hillary-contempt made cheeto-man . With the Pied piper strategy. to throw people into a game of existential chicken. They use Trump as a shield while they became the party of Bush and Cheney.

      If anything is to be learned from flattened-bernie’s campaigns is The Democrats are NOT “the left”. collusion. “The Left” needs to drop them and that is on the DNC, not the voters. That is their policies and corruption. No amount of #FrauDSquAd AyyyyyOC-big turncoats death-to-the-poor good-morning is going to change that. The DNC is where progress goes to die. That is their function. They protect the crap-it-all-ist class from the left.

      Look at California. Super majority Democrats. 5th largest economy in the world. Deliberately shuts down Universal Healthcare - thrice. Obama had a chance to do a public option - it’s what he campaigned on and had the means to do with after the disater of no-oil . Nope Obamacare, aka Romneycare - a republican plan. And still medical debt is crushing people to death and costs, even with insurance, scare people away from seeking care.

      We are always met with maybe-later-honey “how you going to pay for it” and maybe-later-kiddo “maybe later kiddo” while they pull out billions and trillions for war and corporate hand outs - no question.

      The same old hold your nose and consent to the “nice / joy” cop top-cop committing genocide is tried and fried. There is no pushing that party left - especialy when they disgustingly support modern fascism and genocides.

      Country needs a hard course correcting change not kicking the can down another generation.

    • Rom [he/him]English
      20•2 months ago

      Overthrow the unjust capitalist system and seize the means of production for the working class.