• SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        105
        ·
        edit-2
        9 months ago

        It’s a thousand hours of classes where people tell you about all the ways you can be stabbed and how every single person you see is a threat and how you have to have a “warrior mindset”. They get it drilled into their head that they’re an occupying force in hostile territory, in part because all of the instructors are former occupiers of Afghanistan, Iraq etc. edit: and of course Israeli occupiers of Palestine.

          • Tunnelvision [they/them]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            42
            ·
            9 months ago

            You’d be surprised how much the firearm instructor market has grown in the last 10 years. Tons of ex Special Operations guys train people both to law enforcement and civilians. For like $500 you can get legit training by a navy seal. It’s absolutely insane.

        • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          30
          ·
          9 months ago

          I keep getting “self defense instructors” or whatever you want to call them recommended to me on youtube and it’s such a bizarre way to live. Constantly on your toes, assessing everyone as a threat, being ready at any moment for someone to try to attack you. I had one guy talking about how he fills his car ready to start blasting. It’s insane, I can’t imagine how living like that wouldn’t warp your brain. And I imagine it’s much worse for cops who have this drilled into their brains at every opportunity

          • VILenin [he/him]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            23
            ·
            9 months ago

            “I spend all day fantasizing about the time I’ll be able to get away with killing someone” isn’t exactly something they’re willing to openly admit

        • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          23
          ·
          9 months ago

          It’s not just the police trainers drilling them about potential dangers. They’re straight shown gore videos of cops (and maybe civilians? I don’t remember) being killed by criminals. Imagine Active Self Protection videos being shown in class, but there is no tactical analysis to go alongside it. Just back to back systemic traumatizing to prime your goons.

      • zed_proclaimer [he/him]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        52
        ·
        9 months ago

        it’s a bunch of fat Israeli serial killers doing krav maga and pepper spraying you and telling you how every single brown person will kill you if you don’t kill them first

  • DyingOfDeBordom [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    143
    ·
    9 months ago

    Yeah I just watched the video and I just gotta say massive fuck you to all the people who shit on this dude or just write him off as “a troop.” He opens up the video and says he’s about to engage in “an extreme act of protest” but “compared to what people in Palestine have been experiencing at the hands of their colonizers, it’s not extreme at all” and then lights himself on fucking fire.

    If you watch that and don’t have even the slightest bit of empathy or think that he is not in any way a comrade, there is something wrong with you

    Yeah he shouldn’t have joined the military, yeah he shouldn’t have killed himself, but jesus fucking christ people that just makes it more tragic.

  • zed_proclaimer [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    119
    ·
    9 months ago

    all the news articles articles aren’t admitting that he was protesting the genocide in gaza.

    One I read quickly mentioned him then pivoted to talking about environmentalist protesters who have self immolated in the past for over half the article. Others mention no motive at all and are just a couple sentences. One said “it’s unclear if this is related to Israel’s military action in Gaza”.

    Goddamn I hate “journalists”. Lying hacks who take clear and easy to understand events and twist them into nothingness

  • Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    118
    ·
    9 months ago

    Just heard NPR report this as “His reason for doing so is still unknown.” How? He said why he was doing it!

      • Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        64
        ·
        edit-2
        9 months ago

        https://www.npr.org/2024/02/25/1233810136/fire-man-israeli-embassy-washington

        A man set himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in D.C.

        A man is in critical condition after setting himself on fire in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C., on Sunday afternoon, according to multiple law enforcement agencies.

        The Air Force said the man was an active duty airman.

        The U.S. Secret Service said it was responding to reports of an individual experiencing a possible medical or mental health emergency. Local police arrived around 1 p.m. ET.

        The fire has since been extinguished. The Israeli Embassy in D.C. said none of its staff were injured.

        Vito Maggiolo, a spokesperson for D.C. Fire and EMS, said the man has been transported to the hospital, where he has “critical life threatening injuries.”

        As of Sunday evening, NPR was not able to independently verify the man’s identity or motives.

        Andrew Leyden, a freelance journalist based in D.C., told NPR he saw burn marks near the Israeli Embassy’s lawn, where the embassy had placed flags to represent the hostages taken by Hamas on Oct. 7.

        Lynn Sweet, the Washington bureau chief at the Chicago Sun-Times, wrote on X that there was a growing police presence outside the Israeli Embassy earlier in the afternoon, including local law enforcement searching a vehicle out of “precaution.”

        Posted at 6:53 PM, well after the details were available

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      69
      ·
      9 months ago

      They are going to weaponize the traumatic footage of being burned alive to pull some bullshit, “the footage is extremely disturbing, so for the viewers’ mental wellbeing, we’ve faithfully transcribed this mentally disturbed man’s final words.” The White House transcripts cover up Biden’s brain turning into soup all the fucking time, and they’ll probably do it here too if they can’t get away with simply ignoring it.

      • Zodiark [he/him]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        39
        ·
        9 months ago

        The concept of compassion, solidarity, and humanity are lost on liberals as genuine beliefs instead of decorative and performative slogans. They are not so much as being misleading the public as to Bushnell’s motivations; they are alien to the concepts of outrage and moral conviction.

  • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    118
    ·
    9 months ago

    Holy fuck, amerikkkan journalism is pure fucking propaganda, usa today’s article says “Local and Federal officials have declined to say whether this was a form of protest”

    • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      9 months ago

      nah we should absolutely moneyball protest actions. it’s the same analysis that tells us adventurism is usually counter-productive to our side, and we don’t need people going out in one of the worst ways to do it because they wrongly think it’ll make a difference if it will, in fact, not make a difference.

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        38
        ·
        edit-2
        9 months ago

        Counterpoint if you never actualy do anything then nothing ever actualy happens.

        People who argue against adventurism out of pragmatism are completely disconnected to the reality we’re losing, in fact in most ways we already lost and if you can’t do anything meaningful at least do something that will be remembered for future generations.

        Just surviving is rational but not inherently more productive, those that usualy argue against adventurism are also not doing any other form of praxis either. I think it is fine to argue back and forth on whether its productive or not, but at the same time it is so hard not to be cynical and note the western left doesn’t do anything period, so it is just hypocritical in the end from the perspective of a western left that is completely inert and disorganized.

        • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          21
          ·
          9 months ago

          you need support of the community, like the irl community where you’re going to be violent to get away with it and have it not totally undermine the thing we want.

          actually blowing up a pipeline would turn people against environmentalism better than years of propaganda ever could

          the mckinley assassination lead directly to the creation of the FBI

          regardless of how adventurous your adventure is you need some way for the action to lead to some outcome and the last time i can think of that happening in the US is the fucking weather underground getting a cop statue removed from a public park.

          • BigHaas [he/him]@hexbear.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            14
            ·
            9 months ago

            And like don’t we need a strong vanguard party before making any moves? The christofascists will happily take over any revolutionary movement. Adventurism is decades away from being something to even consider.

              • BigHaas [he/him]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                9 months ago

                We could get very far with just food banks and free after school childcare and things like that. The Russian Revolution wasn’t thoroughly compromised by glowies and a surveillance state. Crimes are not feasible in 2024.

              • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                9 months ago

                Honestly, I don’t know. It’s possible that violent direct action in the tradition of American civil disobedience would be popular. Burn down a bomb factory when nobody’s there to get injured, stuff like that. People felt inspired by pulling down racist statues in 2020 and that practice spread widely even though those wins are solely symbolic. The problem is that these things are difficult. If property damage type “adventurism” was easy, individual-scale, and not too risky, it might be something that atomized Americans would take to. On the right we have stochastic terrorism, because doing a mass shooting of random innocents doesn’t take much planning. But that’s incompatible with leftism, and besides it’s the product of well-funded right-wing media and not a self-sustaining movement. I also doubt that, even if the American consumer could somehow do leftist adventurism on a whim, that that would be able to grow into the eventual mass movement we need for lasting change.

                I also do think that like, a strike or protest that turns violent isn’t adventurism. Yes if it’s a small cadre that planned to fuck shit up, but not if it’s just cops attacking peaceful events as usual.

            • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]@hexbear.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              9 months ago

              by ML/M way of thinking yeah. anarchists presumably have a different framework for how to get from here to there but i’ve never seen a case study of it on the level of the BPP.

              i think some small-time adventurism is viable in the west today, maybe a mob going after a slumlord, but not anything that fundamentally threatens the state.

  • JohnBrownsBussy2 [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    94
    ·
    9 months ago

    It’s obviously sad and very disturbing, and should be the kind of thing that wakes people up. Unfortunately, the US media is very careful on downplaying/misreporting self-immolations, even though in theory it’s the type of macabre story that they’d capitalize on.

  • Ecoleo [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    85
    ·
    9 months ago

    This won’t make any headlines. A monk in Tibet? Plastered everywhere. People throwing paint or soup or whatever on art? Everywhere, drives the chuds rage. But they’ll hardly mention this.

  • sisatici [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    77
    ·
    9 months ago

    Any journalist that does not publish this or completly ignore his reason is lowest propaganda creator alive. I agree that media would have gone mad with this if this was 50 years ago in Vietnam. Media became much more state controlled since. Remembering you is the least I could do noble soldier

  • Faresh@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    75
    ·
    9 months ago

    He may have been a troop, and a single death is nothing compared to what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, and maybe his action didn’t achieve anything, but we are still talking about a human life of someone who got where they are partially due to the material reality they grew up in, and of someone who in the end saw the wrongness in it all. I thus am a bit alarmed that some of the comments’ first reaction on here is to insult him.

    • Mokey [none/use name]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      Well my mom and dad made a lot of money and I’ve never needed to consider doing something like joining the military or have the audacity to be an ignorant product of my hyper-propagandized crumbling society.

      • Faresh@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        edit-2
        9 months ago

        That’s why I said that he got where he is partially due to the material reality he grew up in. To me every death is sad even if who died did evil, but that’s because I attribute a person’s decisions a whole lot more than just “partially” to the material reality. But I wanted to make clear that even if one doesn’t share that belief it’s still fucked up to react that way.