literally makes a long twitter thread about the evils of being a china guy lmao https://x.com/JeremiahDJohns/status/2043683397239701720

Full text of the twitter thread for the nerds that like reading and getting mad
There’s something missing from the Hasan Piker discourse. Hasan’s fans and critics often overlook the most troubling fact about him.
The core problem with Hasan Piker is that, on a fundamental level, he doesn’t believe in liberal democracy.
I don’t really want to spend tons of time talking about Hasan. So I’m going to make this one long thread and then, god willing, hopefully not have to talk about it for a while.
But it is plainly obvious to anyone with eyes that Piker is an ideological authoritarian.
Hasan spends an astonishing amount of time defending authoritarian regimes, apologizing for them, running cover for them, promoting them, parroting their propaganda, and more. There are dozens of examples of this.
Let’s start with what Piker has to say about China.
Hasan, earlier this year, went on a trip to China and did nothing but glaze the authoritarian government there.
Given that Hasan is a full time political commentator, you might think he’d have something to say about their lack of basic rights, the brutal repression of Tibet, the Uyghur genocide, how China crushed Hong Kong’s freedoms, how they threaten Taiwan, etc. But no, nothing. Only praise.
China is a country that has no gay marriage, bans gay dating apps, bans the depiction of ‘sissy men’ in media, and severely represses gay people. When asked about it, Hasan acknowledges none of this and tries to blame it on Apple.
Piker was harassed by secret police in Tiananmen Square for recording there, and his response was immediately “Well America is still worse” and to lie that you can’t be arrested for memes.
Mind you, China is a country that has mobile execution vans and disappears students for holding up blank sheets of paper. Having the wrong opinions in public can be a death sentence. But the important thing is that America is bad.
The more you hear him talk, it’s clear he just doesn’t care that China kills dissidents. He likes the Chinese way of doing things.
You don’t have to take my word for it. Asked directly which country’s socialism he would emulate, he doesn’t say Sweden or Norway. He says “China is who we should follow and learn lessons from”
Every time China comes up, he somehow takes the CCP’s side. Every time. Here’s an example where he basically says that China’s colonialism in Tibet and the eradication of Tibetan culture was justified because the Tibetans were savages:
Another one - in reaction to Hong Kong protests a few years ago, Piker defends the CCP saying that the existence of separate systems of government for Hong Kong and mainland China is ‘ridiculous’ and that for ‘convenience’ they should just have one system
Hasan spouts CCP talking points about how the United States is what’s really standing in the way of ‘peaceful reunification’, ignoring that Taiwanese people don’t want to be part of mainland China. This line would not be out of place in literal Chinese state media.
None of this is an accident. None of this is cherry picking. Hasan authentically likes dictators. His words - “I never would and never will make fun of Mao Zedong, one of the great leaders of this world”
Mao is responsible for killing tens of millions of people.
He consistently downplays the Uyghur genocide, falsely claiming that the concentration camps - which he corrects to calling ‘re-education camps’ - are closed. He’ll also deflect when asked and start talking about Israel being worse.
If you corner him, he’ll evade the human rights problems with a generic statement and say “but I don’t pretend to know how to govern a billion people”
I think we can say that genociding Uyghurs and killing political dissidents is wrong no matter how big the country.
Speaking of ‘re-education’, btw, Hasan is explicitly in favor. When asked “Under socialism, what if a movement of people decided they wanted capitalism or social democracy?” his answer was that those people should be ‘re-educated’ by the socialist state.
It’s not just the CCP that Hasan loves to praise. He’ll cape for virtually any authoritarian state. He wishes that the USSR had won the cold war over the United States.
Hasan has said that he “has no issues” with Hezbollah and compares them to Nelson Mandela.
He’s platformed literal Houthi terrorists and asked them hardball questions about which animes they like to watch.
He’s defended Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, saying
“What do you call Crimea? I call it a part of Russian territory, bitch. That’s what I call Crimea. I call it cry me a river. A Russian river.”
Hasan has said that America deserved 9/11. He later apologized, but it’s pretty clear that in context, he actually believes that and apologized to cover his ass.
Hasan recently took a trip to Cuba that was similar to his China trip. He endlessly praised an authoritarian government that has impoverished its own people immensely. He offered absolutely zero criticism of their authoritarian system, because he too is an authoritarian.
Later, he described Cuba as maybe the most moral country in the world. Cuba regularly jails and kills political dissidents.
He’s got a busy schedule, but somehow he also finds time to glaze North Korea of all places:
In addition to being an ideological authoritarian, Hasan routinely calls for political violence. Here he is calling for the murder of landlords, practically screaming “Let the streets soak in their red capitalist blood”
That’s not an isolated incident. He’s called for violence against multiple US Senators. He jokes about how SA isn’t really as bad if it happens to rich girls.
I could keep showing clips where Hasan sucks up to authoritarian governments and promotes political violence, but hopefully you get the idea at this point.
Hasan simply does not value liberal democracy or human rights, as long as the boot crushing your face is a socialist boot.
That’s what bothers me about recent discourse. @ezraklein 's recent column on Hasan was almost entirely focused on the question of antisemitism.
I suspect this is because groups like @ThirdWayTweet focused their attacks on Piker from that angle, which was stupid. All Hasan has to do is denounce antisemitism, point out that he likes Bernie Sanders and other Jewish politicians, and it’s easily dismissed.
And you’ll note that nothing in this thread is related to Israel whatsoever. I don’t think Hasan is bad because he protests Israel. I think he’s bad because he’s a bootlicker for murderous totalitarian regimes.
That’s why it’s baffling that @ezraklein barely mentions any of this. He’s either unaware of it, or choosing to ignore it. Either way I’d usually expect more from a careful thinker like Klein.
Klein also makes the argument that we should be more willing to talk to people who we strongly disagree with. He talked about this when Charlie Kirk was killed, and he’s consistent with the same principle for Piker
But the problem is that Democrats aren’t inviting Hasan to have tough debates about his love of authoritarian regimes. They’re inviting him to hugfest podcasts, to campaign rallies, to do puff pieces.
Klein’s idea falls apart because most podcasts today are 99% agreeing and nodding, and then asking the guest to be your bff. Nobody profiling Piker is grilling him. They’re lusting over him:

And look: I believe in a big tent Democratic party. Donald Trump is uniquely dangerous, and the MAGA movement is actively lighting the country on fire.
In theory, if Piker wanted to push in the same direction as me, I’d shut up and bury my complaints.
The problem is that Piker doesn’t work to help Democrats.
He promotes far-left Dems in primaries against center-left Dems. But for the mainstream party, he won’t support them. He’s already talking about how he might not vote Dem in 2028.
He spends so much of his time screaming about how Democrats and Republicans are the same. He went to Minnesota during the ICE raids and immediately started talking about how Democrats were just as bad.
He screams at his viewers that Kamala Harris would be doing ‘the exact same things’ as Trump. It’s deranged.
Piker goes on @jonfavs’ show and acts like a Smol Bean Who Just Wants Healthcare. He says he just wants to be treated like a Never Trumper.
The thing about the Never Trumpers is they committed to vote for Democrats despite their personal differences!
Piker acts conciliatory on these large shows, then goes back to his own viewers to slobber up authoritarians and scream about how Democrats are evil.
Still - I would welcome the news that Piker was voting blue, and telling his followers to do the same.
But he should not be a leader, he should not be coddled on friendly interview shows, and his views show not be glossed over.
He’ll also deflect when asked and start talking about Israel being worse.
Of course, all the authoritarianism inflicted by Israel doesn’t count against liberal “democracy.”
Liberal Democracy for everyone! ¹
¹ Except for the 2,5 million people we have locked up in the “open air prison” ²
² It’s 100% a concentration camp. ³
³ We’re currently murdering the people in there.
And that’s just in Gaza. Not the West Bank or the millions of Palestinians already expelled into Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt (and further)
The cool thing about Hasan getting popular (countdown to Trump Thruthing or speaking directly about Hasan is within weeks, it feels like) is that it’s like the struggle sessions on /r/CTH and 2018 Left Twitter, but fucking in real life lmao
Its totally fine that people don’t watch him, but his views are like 98% the Hexbear party line. Its very funny to see our views hitting the mainstream. Let me get the clip of the Pod Jon asking him
“You said ‘Hamas is one thousand times better than the IDF’, was that out of context or a poor choice of words?”
Hasan: “No I stand by that one.” Lmfaoo
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Yeah, the problem with trying to appeal to dems is they will never tolerate anything other than performative resistance to capitalism
It’s a losing game trying to compromise with them because anytime they smell anything that remotely realistically threatens the status quo, they will play the authoritarian card. They are terrified of leftists using power to achieve their goals because at the end of the day they don’t want to actually change anything
They will happily let fascists get elected and do regime changes overseas because that’s all in the service of keeping the capitalist status quo in tact
They’re selfish cowards
They want to have their cake, eat it, and then make you tell them that it’s not their fault they can’t both have it and eat it.
Some the most spineless people alive.
eradication of Tibetan culture
Tibetan languages (plural) are literally protected by the state and they teach in their schools in those languages; how many native American languages are still alive and are the language they’re taught in in their schools?
The Tibetan culture they’re talking about is getting your eyes gouged out for breathing in the Dalai Lama’s direction
Their proud cultural traditions of their pedo leaders sucking on little boy’s tongues is being suppressed!

an ideological authoritarian

Guys, I think this Hasan fellow might be a communist

“Authoritarianism” is when US enemy
It’s extremely authoritarian to have local control over resources. Especially oil resources. Unless you’re like a theocratic monarch that beheads people and treats women like shit, then it’s fine. But then it has to be like a giant company.
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I refuse to read your bullshit.
I assume this liberal is an American so it’s fucking rich that in this screed the focus is on supposed genocide and suppression of political dissent. How can anyone lack this much self-awareness? American liberal democracy’s consequence is the Zionist entity, which is undebatably worse in every metric than even the most spurious claims of what socialist countries are responsible for.
Like take a fucking look in the mirror at some point liberals. I’m generally against “keeping score” with socialist vs capitalist nations because we’ve only lived in circumstances where socialist nations are besieged on all sides, but this person makes it so easy. Every single thing mentioned is either fictional or something America does but worse. I used to naively thing that liberal democracy as a concept would have lost validity after the Iraq War. How could anyone continue to carry water for America after something like that?
But now it’s 20 years later and not only is the Iraq War being ignored, everything since then is being ignored. Regardless of your ideological disputes with China or Cuba, they aren’t currently responsible for international violent conflict. The last time China fought anyone was over 50 years ago. In fact, my main criticism of China’s foreign policy is that they’re too neutral. They don’t get involved internationally enough! They sell arms to both sides of conflicts too, plus develop things like surveillance tech, and I’m not really cool with that either. But again if we’re keeping score with liberal democracy, it’s still not as severe as anything America does in a single year.
Liberals might as well come out and say “I am personally comfortable in a liberal democracy and I don’t give a fuck about the consequences. I don’t give a fuck that I’m sitting on a mountain of corpses because I can’t perceive them. But I’m aware that I would be perhaps less comfortable living in a socialist society. And I’m aware that my comfort is contingent upon eternal global conflict. Thus I support liberal democracy on principle.” Because that’s all I see when they do these screeds. It’s like matrix code, I see right through all the generic accusations and right at who these libs are, they’re comfortable and don’t want to think too hard about why.
99% of people who talk about the Uygher genocide in China as a cudgel to bash leftists with just heard news stories where they quoted a US funded regime change think tank, repeated the accusations of genocide repeatedly, and assumed it was true because China bad. I can guarantee and they didn’t look any further into it.
Most other people just don’t want to be a “genocide denier” and assume our media wouldn’t be so evil and craven as to spuriously fabricate a genocide.
not my democracy™©®!!!
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In conversation I will offer Hasan at least as much support (critical, uncritical, whatever not the point) as I offer Iran.
Among comrades there are certainly disucssions to be had (as we know from the weekly Hasan [good/ok/bad] thread), but just as with the war, anything short of a firm defense lends credence to the forces of Imperialism and Zionism in the American rhetorical space.
He is a critically important tool for agitprop for the US American left if you are active in Organizing, or even if you are educating your liberal friends and acquaintances (which we are all doing, right?).
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Better for agitprop are the worsening material conditions in the U.S his electoral efforts are trying to reverse
Without a viable and muscular nation-wide Worker’s Party to take advantage of worsening material conditions, those conditions will simply lead to fascism winning, and that’s not good for anyone living on earth
So until the day an American Worker’s Party emerges from the mists of history, I think electoral efforts are the correct course; otherwise, you’re left with lifestyle irrelevancy or toxic ultraism
But is that party existing viable without worsening material conditions? I assume “muscular” means with popular support, but that support will be exponentially harder to achieve when people aren’t as aware of the contradictions of capitalism.
I assume “muscular” means with popular support
It means a workers party that can bench at least 1.5 to 2 times its own body weight, obviously. /s
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I’d hate for FDR-likes to be voted in and ensure another few decades of new deal comfort.
The United States will not return to Keynesianism; that historical boat has sailed and floundered, so there’s nothing to worry about on that front. We embrace electoralism not to elect socdems but because of the demonstration effect electoral suppression will generate when socialist candidates threaten to overwhelm the liberal establishment. When the DNC dynamites the party when a socialist seems likely to win the presidency, that will have a galvanizing and radicalizing impact on tens of millions of people, that can be leveraged to create an actual Worker’s party
But to get there, we first have to ring electoralism for everything it’s worth
There’s much for communists in the U.S to do outside of electoralism
Like what? What can be done to ensure the development of a nationwide third party that doesn’t in some way or form intersect with electoralism?
You organize in real life though, right? If you are part of a growing org, then I assume you are meeting people where they are at, which is far closer to Hasan than Hexbear.
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Ah I see, I guess if you aren’t US American, then Hasan isn’t relevant to you one way or the other
Nope sorry, you get mid socdem that likes cuba again

Says he doesn’t like talking about Hasan. Posts one of the longest threads ever about Hasan.



















