The baby demon subplot invites an examination on the theme of “appreances can be deceiving” of mythologies surrounding creatures like changelings or the nature of cuckoo birds
If there’s a real world racial allusion being made in that subplot, then you need to actually demonstrate it, instead of just endlessly implying that it’s there
Which gets muddled by the fact that their POV victim is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed woman with a German-sounding name
Except the fact all the characters are a variation of German runs against the grain of your argument, if the on-screen presentation made real world allusions to different ethinc groups, then the class allegory would be buried under the on-screen struggle between fantasy Germans vs fantasy some-other-ethinc group
It’s the fact that separation can’t be made that has already soured the series for many online chuds, who ironically (considering your argument) identify with the Demons more then they do with the Mrs. Freiren lmao, who according to you is an “Aryan princess”
Then we take into account the fact that memes like the one above are the most common interpretation among normies who seem pretty happy cracking jokes about how the Demons are “white people” or the millions strong Frieren TikToks where the most popular take is that the Demons are an allegory for capitalism
Funny how nobody (including the racists themselves) can’t seem to detect this racism that is apparently oozing off the screen
If there’s a real world racial allusion being made in that subplot
That was never my argument. I don’t make assumptions about the creator’s intent. My argument was that people’s readings of stuff like the baby demon subplot are going to be informed by the real-world context in which they live. You can tell people all you want that they shouldn’t use real-world cultural context to inform their readings of fiction, but you might as well command the tide to stop coming in for all the good it’ll do you. I have already talked about the real-world context behind “these things look like you but they think only of destroying your race, even the children, kill them all,” so I won’t relitigate that.
It’s the fact that separation can’t be made that has already soured the series for many online chuds, who ironically (considering your argument) identify with the Demons more then they do with the Mrs. Freiren lmao
Then why in [CW: Nazi shit] the linked thread are the chuds posting pics of Frieren with captions like “the reason I look this cute is because I’m white” and editing the comic to replace the KKK member with bigoted caricatures of Jews, black people, and trans people?
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the theme of “appreances can be deceiving” of mythologies surrounding creatures like changelings
Unfun fact: the general consensus among anthropologists is that the changeling myth arose as a way for peasants to excuse killing their disabled and neurodiverse children.
My argument was that people’s readings of stuff like the baby demon subplot are going to be informed by the real-world context in which they live
If you base your opinions on what other people hallucinate, then that’s just you putting your baggage on a work, if you can’t examine the work on its own terms then you’re wasting your own time
Then why in [CW: Nazi shit] the linked thread are the chuds posting pics of Frieren with captions like “the reason I look this cute is because I’m white” and editing the comic to replace the KKK member with bigoted caricatures of Jews, black people, and trans people?
Have you considered that the chuds are mad about the Frieren memes and are coping in the dumbest ways possible? You did really expect the chuds would react positively to all the “demons are white people” memes everyone from TikTok to the massive Frieren Subreddit are posting? You’re tailing the chuds and letting them dictate your opinions on a work of fiction
If you base your opinions on what other people hallucinate
When I say “real world context” I mean the culture and history that shaped and continues to shape our existence, not what some fascist losers are saying online.
if you can’t examine the work on its own terms then you’re wasting your own time
No human being is capable of doing that because creative works don’t spring from the ether and neither do we. If you think you can somehow partition your brain to engage with a work completely divorced of everything you’ve ever known and experienced of the material world, you’re fooling yourself.
Have you considered that the chuds are mad about the Frieren memes and are coping in the dumbest ways possible?
Why would they get mad about the memes if they didn’t like Frieren to begin with?
You’re tailing the chuds and letting them dictate your opinions on a work of fiction
“Many people interpret this work in a fascist manner” is evidence for the claim “this work lends itself to a fascist interpretation.”
The baby demon subplot invites an examination on the theme of “appreances can be deceiving” of mythologies surrounding creatures like changelings or the nature of cuckoo birds
If there’s a real world racial allusion being made in that subplot, then you need to actually demonstrate it, instead of just endlessly implying that it’s there
Except the fact all the characters are a variation of German runs against the grain of your argument, if the on-screen presentation made real world allusions to different ethinc groups, then the class allegory would be buried under the on-screen struggle between fantasy Germans vs fantasy some-other-ethinc group
It’s the fact that separation can’t be made that has already soured the series for many online chuds, who ironically (considering your argument) identify with the Demons more then they do with the Mrs. Freiren lmao, who according to you is an “Aryan princess”
Then we take into account the fact that memes like the one above are the most common interpretation among normies who seem pretty happy cracking jokes about how the Demons are “white people” or the millions strong Frieren TikToks where the most popular take is that the Demons are an allegory for capitalism
Funny how nobody (including the racists themselves) can’t seem to detect this racism that is apparently oozing off the screen
That was never my argument. I don’t make assumptions about the creator’s intent. My argument was that people’s readings of stuff like the baby demon subplot are going to be informed by the real-world context in which they live. You can tell people all you want that they shouldn’t use real-world cultural context to inform their readings of fiction, but you might as well command the tide to stop coming in for all the good it’ll do you. I have already talked about the real-world context behind “these things look like you but they think only of destroying your race, even the children, kill them all,” so I won’t relitigate that.
Then why in [CW: Nazi shit] the linked thread are the chuds posting pics of Frieren with captions like “the reason I look this cute is because I’m white” and editing the comic to replace the KKK member with bigoted caricatures of Jews, black people, and trans people?
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Unfun fact: the general consensus among anthropologists is that the changeling myth arose as a way for peasants to excuse killing their disabled and neurodiverse children.
If you base your opinions on what other people hallucinate, then that’s just you putting your baggage on a work, if you can’t examine the work on its own terms then you’re wasting your own time
Have you considered that the chuds are mad about the Frieren memes and are coping in the dumbest ways possible? You did really expect the chuds would react positively to all the “demons are white people” memes everyone from TikTok to the massive Frieren Subreddit are posting? You’re tailing the chuds and letting them dictate your opinions on a work of fiction
When I say “real world context” I mean the culture and history that shaped and continues to shape our existence, not what some fascist losers are saying online.
No human being is capable of doing that because creative works don’t spring from the ether and neither do we. If you think you can somehow partition your brain to engage with a work completely divorced of everything you’ve ever known and experienced of the material world, you’re fooling yourself.
Why would they get mad about the memes if they didn’t like Frieren to begin with?
“Many people interpret this work in a fascist manner” is evidence for the claim “this work lends itself to a fascist interpretation.”
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