• ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Ok, so it looks like stormfront is a website that promotes white pride. It sounds like there might have been a subreddit at some point based on that stormfront image.

        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stormfront

        And /r/196 is a leftist meme posting subreddit that is trans friendly.

        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=r%2F196

        I’m using non-reddit links because I don’t want to direct traffic to reddit.

        Can you help me find a source that shows, stormfront, a white pride website, influenced the 196 rule please? This seems like an important point to learn more about. I’ve been googling, but I haven’t found any connection yet.

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          “Trans friendly” is a weird way to say creepy chasers, the amount of overt sexualisation and objectification of trans people from non-trans people there is horrendous.

          You’re reading too hard into the reddit=stormfront thing. It’s just a common leftist refrain off-reddit because 90% of the site is pro-nato white supremacy and nationalism even if a handful of communities might be slightly less bad.

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            most of the posts there make my skin crawl. im basically a boomer at this point in the trans community (10+ years transitioned), younger trans people really need to learn what fake allies look like. just because theyre nice/sexualize you doesnt mean they actually support you. i know when the world hates your guts the bar is low, but you need to make that bar high for your own good.

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          It’s a joke to dunk on Reddit, it’s become part of our parlance so we tend to drop it pretty casually. I can see how it comes across as accusatory here, but I think the user probably didn’t mean anything by it.

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            That seems to be the case. Other people are indicating it was joke and not even one directed at on 196. It’s certainly new to me anyway.

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              its because there used to be a stormfront subreddit on reddit for like 10 years or something before it got banned, and that was their logo.

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          And /r/196 is a leftist meme posting subreddit that is trans friendly.

          doubt

          Back when i still visited reddit, i got bullied pretty hard by them for pointing out that it’s latently transphobic, assimilationist and toxic to shit on the way r/traaaaaaaa was inclusive of trans catgirl culture. They had an entire thread on how the memes on r/traaaaaaa were cringe and unfunny and it was full of latent bigottry like that. Made them sound like a bunch of chuds and truscums. r/196 also has a not insubstantial amount of chasers. Fetishizing us and talking about your favorite trans porn while dismissing the opinions of trans women as cringe isn’t trans friendly, it is objectifying and shitty and r/196 can go fuck itself.

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            I only know about r/196 what I’ve read about it from other sources. You’ll be happy to know we don’t do that here. This is a trans friendly space.

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              heavy-handed moderation to keep it that way is a good idea. if someone engages in soft transphobia/chaser shit, warn and ban – don’t leave room for debates about how much trans positivity is too much.

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              I hope i can take your word for that, it’s generally what i’d expect of a place called blahaj zone, too. I’m just voicing my own experiences with the reddit sub.

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          I think stormfront the user, Stormfront the right wing website, and Stormfront the Apple store are all 3 seperate entities.

          I think you got them mixed up. I hope you mixed them up and they aren’t somehow connected anyway.

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            I honestly know very little about Stormfront, beyond what I’ve googled. I don’t support white pride groups. I have seen people referencing it on Lemmy though.

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                I won’t contest that racism and bigotry existed on reddit. It definitely did. I also experienced and saw kindness and acceptance. Saying Reddit in its entirety is racist is really no different that saying everyone is racist. And not everyone and not everyone on reddit is racist.

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                  it’s about the platform and the majority membership, not a judgment of every community that exists there. there are quite obviously cool corners on reddit, but the platform as a whole defends bigotry as free speech, at an admin level.

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                    It does seem like the admin level is an issue when it comes to reddit and racism. This is easier to observe as there are fewer admins than users. I do want to see some kind of data to be convinced it is the majority of people on reddit. I only have my personal experience to go on. I remember fondly how conservatives bemoaned that reddit was dominated by liberals. So from my personal experience the racists were the minority. I could be wrong though, because I don’t have political census data on redditors.

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                    They said elsewhere that they’re autistic. The need to be exact and truthful when people generalize something like a community is something i identify with. Its why I dont really love the stormfront joke myself, just go along with it for community peace. This person to me is clearly well intentioned and is an example of the dunk impulse going too far because I think they’re trying to do right.

                    ETA: Actually I got them mixed up with another user they never said they were autistic. But I still think they are well intentioned.

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                    It goes without saying all lives matter. It needs to be said that Black Lives Matter. I am aware racism exists on reddit. I’d love to see a survey or study that indicates a majority of people are racist on reddit.

                    I’m not convinced that calling reddit predominantly racist is based on actual sympathy for people of color. There is a competing reason I can think of why someone would want to discredit reddit however. They tended to moderate against authoritarian communists, people who are notorious for their support of governments that committed genocides against minorities.

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                  I won’t contest that racism and bigotry existed on reddit. It definitely did. I also experienced and saw kindness and acceptance. Saying Reddit in its entirety is racist is really no different that saying everyone is racist. And not everyone and not everyone on reddit is racist.

                  reddit is full to the brim liberals and liberals are at best fascist enablers, at worst - especially when foreign politics are involved - they are fash-lite, consciously or otherwise

                  hence the stormfront joke