Me when I have to interact with a website slowly because my natural rate is too fast and it triggers a bot detection warning
in the case of github you hit the rate limit after 1 query
Happened to my daughter: She’s studying abroad, with an English speaking course of mostly non-native speakers (she is also no native English speaker, but has a better command of the language than most Americans). Co-students were actually asking her which AI she was using because her papers were so good…
I have seen people have this tendency to be unable to believe that anyone they know can actually do something they find difficult.
That’s probably the same type of people that see some highly acclaimed work (from someone they don’t know) and thrusting celebrity status onto the creator.The easiest way is to write with snark and borderline hostile sarcasm.
I used to see a wall of text in a comment and think “this guy’s a pretentious ass.”
Now when I see huge wall of text in a comment, I think “this guy used chatgpt.”
I almost always read it because I’m a masochist and 1 out of 10 is great.
I spent so much time in academia. A lot of us are trained to make objective and impersonal analysis (such as avoiding the use of personal pronouns “I”, “we”, “us” etc.), which I did not realise before sounds dispassionate and cold to laymen. Someone asked me if I’m a bot because apparently I sounded like an anime character. A couple of times, I get into arguments because normal folks would accuse me of “yOu aRe mAkInG ExCuSeS tO TyRaNtS!!” for making a realpolitik analysis of a situation (/r/geopolitics in Reddit is heavily derided for this by average Redditors).
Academically trained folks are ingrained to be conscious of bias and rather encouraged to be more descriptive with the analysis, and less with prescriptive. Otherwise we’d get accused of bias. But when academics do voice out their opinions based on evidence and careful study, they’d be accused of bias. I probably don’t need to elaborate how often educational institutions are accused of being left or liberal. News flash: academics do not come in with inherent bias towards left/liberal thinking, it’s just that their study led them to be more left leaning. Wait until I tell people I am an advocate for a world government by giving UN more power. I might be accused as a globalist bot.
Maybe learn to switch out of the academic style for social media? Like do you include citation footers in texts to your family?
If by social media you mean the brain rotting, ragebaiting sites like Facebook, X or Instagram, I don’t argue on them.
Reddit, Lemmy, etc. are all social media. Is it hard to switch back and forth?
Shh…some will be offended when you call reddit and lemmy social media!
i dislike, but accept, academic style. my argument against it is that the total reliance on passive voice makes research FAR less accessible to people for whom english is a second languange and neurodivergent people. older academics tell me i’m being anti-intellectual. younger academics tell me they don’t know what passive voice is and don’t believe it exists.
i don’t really… know what to make of that divide, if i’m being honest
That’s why you usually have a paper and then a popular media article written based on it that’s what people actually see and read.
my argument against it is that the total reliance on passive voice makes research FAR less accessible to people for whom english is a second languange and neurodivergent people. older academics tell me i’m being anti-intellectual.
That’s fair and completely understandable. One of the major reasons for anti-intellectualism are experts talking down on average people. A lot of experts and academics are typically affluent who hardly have to live with salt-of-the-earth, everyday workers and working class. It’s a well-known problem who in academia who scoff at student and laypeople. I am not an academic by profession, although I try to know the audience and talk to their level. But I admit that maybe I have come across as smug before without realising it.
younger academics tell me they don’t know what passive voice is and don’t believe it exists.
I guess the person just have to read academic literatures in their field to get the grasp on how to speak passively. It took awhile for me to master it.
usually the younger cohort defaults to passive voice in all communication.
also i didn’t think you came across as a problem at all! sorry if it seemed like i was criticizing you or your position. this is a very general frustration i’ve had with academia ever since i wrote my senior ethics paper
Hear me out: intentional spellign mistakes.
International*
International House of Fucked Spellings
never. capitalize. anything. unless it’s a proper noun then do so out of respect. unless you don’t respect the thing and don’t want your audience to either. then fuck em
who do you think i am? a capitalist?
Ellipsis…use ellipsis often. AI seldom, if ever, uses them…So your responses don’t have the look and feel of AI.
The last few boomers I work with all message me like that, it’s kinda upsetting
I don’t know why, but when I see someone overusing ellipses, they immediately seem like an at least 50 year old man who most likely doesn’t have a great relationship with their kids to me. This has turned out to be true almost every time.
oh for me it’s usually stoners
Probably this one…
it looks like you’re having an ellipsis seizure
Ellipsis?
… I don’t know of a better way to put it man.
I am stupid and did not google it I thought you meant elipse as the geometric shape and was confused as fuck
I am stupid and did not google it I thought you meant elipse as the geometric shape and was confused as fuck
ellipses, if you know the plural better
I had to google it to clear up confusion I though they meant this.
tbf that’s still a valid answer, AI does not use ellipses often either
Glad someone else noticed…
What an astute observation! You are absolutely right, many people can confuse well written responses as AI and that can be frustrating. Simplifying the language is a great way to make your text seem more personal and human. Let me know if you need help with anything else!
AI slop
What an astute observation! You are absolutely right, many people can confuse well written sarcastic responses as AI and that can be frustrating. Let me know if you need help with anything else!
AI slop.
This is the right way to do it: imitate AI to piss off bitchass haters.
You could also shit your pants so those bitchasses would have to smell
pants so those bitchasses would have to smell
If someone figures that out, i’d pay the subscription fee.
Nah, that doesn’t work over the internet, but you do you.
Fuck AI. Simple enough? Bitch.
That’s why I fill my points with insults and constant profanities. Can’t fucken accuse my borderline insane and blatantly violent rhetoric of being bots because im pretty sure my pros are bit shit. Also could a bot do this, you can now feel that post burn sensation on your tongue.
also me when people accuse me of being ai slop for using em dashes just because big tech trained their models by stealing authors work.
I like to use em, but I’m too lazy to type them so I just use two regular dashes (–) which I guess I haven’t seen an LLM do yet.
Its actually wild to me that people who use LLMs don’t edit the output to make it look like it was not generated.
For me, the greatest giveaways are the emojis and bad formatting.
iOS automatically converts two endashes into an emdash for whatever that’s worth
People who don’t know—🌝
People who know—🌚
There was a comment that was a list of 15 items and some chud called it AI slop. Because it was an organized list?
Honestly, making a list feels easier for me as a markdown user, than having to put 2 spaces at the end of every line.
just swap them out with semicolons; no one knows how they’re supposed to work anyway
Semicolons should separate related ideas; they should work as independent sentences though.
Em dashes–contrary to how most people use them–are for asides or supplementary information. I also see them used to show a conclusion–a direct response to a prior statement that doesn’t seem appropriate to put in a new sentence.
Punctuation: gotta love it.
Thank goodness I was raised where etc. I was; feel like I have a handle on it.
But who knows—maybe I’m imperfect with them!
(howdid I doozie here^ pls)
Edit: Okay, just read it—your comment, I mean—and I used v2 of your em dash, so here’s v1 :)
I sometimes use semicolons when I realise I have been using too many commas and I don’t feel like breaking up into multiple sentences. So, kinda like a bigger comma.
I understand that makes it wrong, though.Best choice is to switch out the em dashes for parentheses ( even where that doesn’t make any sense.
yeah, emoji or em dashes will get you hanged around these parts :)
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semicolons have commas included, friend.
sorry, replied to the wrong comment
em dashes are typographical faffery and have always been (in my opinion) a marker of writers who take themselves, and the surface level of their style, far too serious.
just use commas, my friend
em dashes, en dashes, and commas have different meanings and uses
aren’t all of them “do a short pause”?
For a speaker/listener, yes. But for a reader, it has additional value.
I don’t remember where I first read em dashes, but there were times when I felt like something didn’t quite match any of the others I usually use [1] and ended up with a feeling that putting a dash over there made sense.
I also didn’t know the terminologies for these different kinds of dashes, when I started using them.
parentheses, colons (inline or list-starters), semicolons ↩︎
no.
- comma: do a short pause
- hyphen: connect two related concept words to loosely create a new word
- en dash: signify a range
- em dash: do an abrupt, possibly long, pause or signify an attribution
- ellipses: do a trailing, possibly long, pause
Just use commas, my friend
vs.
Just use commas – my friend
It doesn’t work very well.
dashes cannot always replace commas, but commas can replace dashes.
thus - commas are more powerful
thus, commas are more powerful
Amusingly enough, one use case for em dashes is a pause where a comma would be too weak — refuting your assertion.
Also, you used a hyphen.
not actually a hyphen, a minus (not that this matters to me in the slightest)
I’m sorry, but “the pause is too weak” sounds squarely in the area of faffery to me.
hyphen and minus is the same punctuation symbol in different contexts, at least how most people, including you, signify the mathematical symbol.
- hyphen: -
- minus: -
- en-dash: –
- em-dash: —
so… yeah. pretty clear it doesn’t matter to you since you speak authoritatively about it while being incorrect
you think I don’t know this - I know I don’t care about it
It’s more along the lines of the comma is too weak for the pause. Likewise, there are places where the em dash is too strong for the pause.
Teaching myself to stop using the em dash has been a real pain. It helps with the flow of reading particularly when talking about technical content. I’ve gone back to the semicolon, sadly.
to quote david herman’s michael bolton in office space:
why should i change, he’s the one that sucks
😂😂😂❤️
Perfect choice on Major Winchester for this meme.
My MIL was in town for Thanksgiving, and there was a lot of MASH watched.
Holds up surprisingly well. I like it more now than I did in my childhood.
Thanks. When I was thinking of it, he was the first one that came to mind.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a MASH meme, much less with Major Charles Emerson Winchester III. What a time to be alive.
“take these 1970s memes. they were your grandfather’s”
The rest of the ironic story…the poster was AI all along. /s
At this point I’d just consider it a compliment when someone accuses me of being ai. Oh you mean I spelled everything correctly and sound like a textbook? Thank you very much.
AIs are monotone though
They’ll parrot back whatever attitude you’re talking to them in. I’ve seen screenshots of other people using them and the way they were talking was completely different from how they talk to me. I also get the monotone informational version.
It can get really fucked up actually and contributes to people humanizing the chatbot.
that’s why i write with the stylistic frustrations that only a human could truly pull off
Just start quoting Idiocracy
I got banned from reddit for saying “You sound like a fag and your shit’s all retarded.” I even had it in quotes and linked to the YouTube video.
“You know! Like yeah…right? You know!” I find it hard to believe that an AI would use derogatory terms, which is how we prove that its not AI.
Edit: https://chatgpt.com/share/692fba72-4470-8012-9a1e-54c00fc264a7
