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      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        5 months ago

        He’s being a little troll.

        Nobody here likes Dugin, even Z-poster thought he is a vicious little fascist. And yes his influence over Russian politics is wildly overstated, he is basically used as an ideological bulwark by the Russian state to prevent Russian neo-nazis from sympathizing with and joining Ukrainian neo-nazis, not for the obvious reason that Ukrianian neo-nazis wish for the expulsion and extermination of ethnic russians from Ukriane, but because Ukrianian neo-nazis represent ‘western removed’. It’s all very stupid.

  • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    What is the Fourth Political Theory?

    This is a thread to demystify Aleksandr Dugin’s project and show how it recycles the worst parts of 20th-century ideology.

    Dugin claims the 20th century gave us 3 great ideologies:

    • Liberalism
    • Communism
    • Fascism

    According to him, liberalism won, but it hollowed out society, destroyed tradition, and must be replaced.

    Enter: the Fourth Political Theory.

    What is 4PT? It’s Dugin’s attempt to create a new ideology that overcomes liberalism, rejects communism, and reabsorbs fascism. He mixes:

    • Traditionalism (like Julius Evola)
    • National mysticism
    • Anti-modernism
    • Ethno-pluralism
    • Postmodern jargon

    Why is it fascist? Because it:

    • Rejects universalism (human rights, equality, etc.)
    • Centers myth, tradition, and spiritual hierarchy
    • Glorifies civilizational struggle
    • Embraces irrationalism over materialist analysis
    • Treats race and nation as metaphysical truths

    Instead of saying “race,” Dugin talks about “civilizations," large, spiritual-ethnic blocks of people who must resist Western (read: liberal capitalist) domination. But it’s race science all the same. He just maps “white” onto “Russian Eurasian,” and “d*gen***cy” onto “Western liberal.”

    Dugin doesn’t want justice or peace. He wants: A world where each “civilization” is sovereign, where Western liberalism is contained or destroyed, where Russia leads a Eurasian revival of spiritual authoritarianism.

    4PT is popular with the far-right and some “leftists” because it appeals to:

    • Post-left disillusionment
    • Anti-American sentiment
    • Nationalists seeking postmodern cover
    • People allergic to modernity, feminism, queerness, cosmopolitanism.

    It flatters their reactionary instincts while sounding anti-imperialist.

    Why this matters?

    When “Marxists” use words like:

    • Civilizational struggle
    • Multipolarity[1] (?)
    • “d*gen***te” liberalism
    • Tradition over modernity

    They are channeling Duginist ideology, knowingly or not.

    The Duginist pipeline looks like this:

    Anti-imperialist → Anti-West → Anti-modern → Tradpilled → Dugin-curious → 4PT.

    Fourth Political Theory is not a fresh idea. It’s fascism rebuilt with Orthodox icons, vague metaphysics, and just enough anti-liberalism to trick the desperate. Its job isn’t to liberate the world. It’s to replace American domination with Russian domination.

    https://xcancel.com/soothlayer/status/1930315641413873888


    1. Edit: I think I disagree with the author here ↩︎

      • TankieTanuki [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Yeah that’s the one that I’m not sure applies.

        I thought multipolarity referred to the coming end of US hegemony, where China is ascendant and the autonomy of other nations is respected more. I don’t see fascism there.

        Surely the term predates Dugin.

        • lil_tank [any, he/him]@hexbear.net
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          Some bits make me think the author is liberal-adjacent. There’s the notion of “universalism” which is a pillar of french liberal thought, and the way they phrase the notion of rejecting western liberalism, making it sound like western liberalism is an engine for social progress in itself and should be preserved

      • Staines [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Is it?

        Multipolarity is popular on hexbear because it allows nations to assert themselves without being crushed - ripe ground for any ideology which wants to replace the stagnant liberal order in their own country. That makes the concept popular with fascists who want to dismantle the western order, and communists that want to dismantle the neoliberal capitalist order. Multipolarity is a dangerous double edged sword, but the key thing to remember is that it’s almost inevitable. The world changes, no one can stay on top forever.

        Predicting that the world will be more unstable without a unipolar hegemon doesn’t, funnily enough, make you a duginist fascist.

    • Nacarbac [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      They are channeling Duginist ideology, knowingly or not.

      Not that most of those aren’t suspicious, but that seems to be drastically overstating his influence.

      Like claiming it’s somehow channelling Jordan Peterson to say that women are terrifying dragon beasts that can only be slain by the sword of manly virtue pulled from under the tidy bed in Plato’s cave - which is just a normal thing we all say.

      …okay making the joke may undermine the first bit, but at least Peterson is pretty distinct in his overwrought analogies. Dugin isn’t exactly a mask-on kinda fascist.

      • redchert@lemmygrad.ml
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        Like claiming it’s somehow channelling Jordan Peterson to say that women are terrifying dragon beasts

        Imagine reading that the biblical leviathan is symbolic for the female-centric pre-agricultural societies, and its slaughter symbolizing the transition into patriarchal agricultural society. Then reading n*etzsche & jung who are buying into the archaic concept of the woman as erratic and “wild” creature needing to be tamed and kept in check by stoic men and saying woman are chaos dragons lol