Summary

Mass graves uncovered in Syria after Bashar al-Assad’s overthrow reveal evidence of systematic atrocities, with over 100,000 people tortured and killed in what a top war crimes prosecutor described as the worst abuses “since the Nazis.”

Assad’s regime operated a “machinery of death,” involving mass disappearances, torture, and secret burials.

Rebel forces freed thousands of political prisoners, but many remain missing.

International efforts aim to document war crimes, though Assad, now in Russia, is unlikely to face trial.

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    20 hours ago

    Really? Nothing else since WWII has been this bad? I can think of three off the top of my head! Syria’s neighbor is doing a holocaust right now. It’s like they’re pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.

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      The Cambodian Genocide

      The Cambodian genocide was the systematic persecution and killing of Cambodian citizens by the Khmer Rouge under the leadership of Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot. It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly 25% of Cambodia’s population in 1975 (c. 7.8 million) reducing the nation’s life expectancy to a staggering 12 years in 1975.

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      You must not know what the definition of “worst” means.

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        I must not! I’m pretty sure “worst since the Nazis” means " nothing between now and then was worse". As far as I was aware, worst means worse than everything else.

        Worse than Indonesia. Cambodia. Algeria. Iraq. Korea. Vietnam. Yugoslavia. Evidently no atrocities have happened since WWII! 🙄

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          It’s like they’re pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.

          That’s different from saying you think worse things happened.

          Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension, buddy.

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            If something is “the worst” then nothing worse happened, ergo, they’re pretending that all the other worse things didn’t happen. Evidently, the million people that were killed in Iraq and Indonesia just aren’t as important.

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        The official toll isn’t over 100,000 (can’t count people under the rubble) but estimates put it over 100,000 i.e. same order of magnitude. Gaza being smaller just makes these estimates even more horrifying.

        But also, not just talking about Gaza. Lots of other atrocities have lead to mass death on this scale and larger.

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      It’s going to take some time (and digging) to find out.

      However… events that unfolded in Cambodia will almost certainly have exceeded what is going to be discovered in Syria.

      Most likely the same can be said about things that happened in Indonesia.

      Events that continue to happen in North Korea may possibly exceed - once the place collapses and access becomes possible - which may take a century - what Bashar and his father managed to organize.

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      I agree with your point but I think the Palestinian genocide is a bad example. Imo better examples from the top of my mind: the Rwandan and Cambodian genocides likely were far worse both in absolute numbers and as a % of the population, and the policies of Maoist China got many more people killed.

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        Man, Mao’s policies got so many people killed that “only” 3-4m people died of famine.

        He’s got an incredible kill count.

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        The Palestinian genocide is happening right now, is my point. We don’t have to crawl through history to find atrocities.

        Indonesia after the CIA coup is another good example, or Iraq when we killed over a million people. This stuff is way more recent than WWII.

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          And the Palestinian genocide and your other examples aren’t “worse” in any metric (yet). The use and misrepresentation of those examples just tells us that you’re a tankie who engages in whataboutism and spreads untruths to build a narrative.

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            Between 500,000 to one million were killed in Indonesia and Iraq. The fuck you mean they aren’t worse?

            And the Palestinian genocide is at least within the same order of magnitude.

            Why are you erasing them?

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      There are 100.000 bodies in a single mass grave. And that is just one out of five. That’s kinda in a league of its own.

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            Estimates are far higher than the official death toll - it’s hard to count bodies buried under the rubble.

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              Stop. Let the people of Syria be recognized for the horrors they lived through. Wtf is wrong with you?

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                I will not allow Palestinians to be erased! Or any of the other mass murders of over 100,000 people! This disrespects every atrocity that has happened since the end of WWII, by saying those ones either aren’t real or don’t count.

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                  so because theres already a genocide no other genocides can exist? Yes, the Palestina genocide is bad, but that doesn’t mean posting about any other genocide is hate towards Palestinians.

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                    You don’t get to say “the worst since WWII” when there were other genocides that compared or were worse since WWII. It’s erasing history.

                    “Worst” is what I’m taking issue with.

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      Yes, nothing.

      No one here is claiming what Israel is doing isn’t horrible (hell, you’re the only one bringing it up). But, this is worse. Wild how there can be more than one bad thing and one being worse doesn’t make the other one not bad, isn’t it?

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        Don’t argue with a .ml user when they move the goalposts to be “America bad” without any context. It’s a losing battle.

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        This isn’t worse! The official death toll is a massive undercount, the real death toll is probably in the same order of magnitude.

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      You mean the country that is claiming Syrian sovereign space like the Golan Heights for their illegal settlements since the 90s?

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      How “whatabout” that.

      Stop trying to shove this news under the carpet with your “I know worse but I won’t tell you!!1!”

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        I’m trying to point out that history didn’t start and end in WWII, and pointing to something just as bad happening right now.

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          Oh, I didn’t see that you’re an “ml”

          Whatever works in your fantasy world and makes you happy 🤷🏼‍♀️

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            I expect nothing less from reddit.world 🙄

            Do you really think 100,000 people haven’t been killed in any since conflict since WWII? Cuz that’s the implication.

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      The Russians never stopped doing such things. Before, during and after WW2.