Title: Long-time iOS user considering switch to Android - Need advice on $1000 flagships
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Hey everyone, I’m looking at phones around the $1000 price point and would love some input. I’ve been an iOS user for years but I’m seriously considering making the jump to Android this time.
Here’s what I’m looking at:
iPhone 17 Pro - The safe choice since I’m already in the ecosystem
Samsung Galaxy S25 - Hearing good things about this generation
Pixel 10 Pro - Probably crossing this one off the list due to the stability issues I’ve been reading about (the 911 call failures, overheating problems, etc.)
Nothing Phone - The design looks really cool, but I’m not sure if they have anything in this price range
For those who’ve made the switch from iOS to Android (or vice versa), what would you recommend? Any major gotchas I should know about? And is the Nothing Phone even worth considering as a daily driver at this price point?
Thanks in advance!
Samsung is on my shit list. Their spammy, ad riddled UI is infuriating.
I don’t trust them. They lock their phones down and don’t let you remove their bloatware or block their ads/notifications.
Fuck them. Never buy Samsung.
I’ve been on Samsung for years and I don’t get this argument anymore. There’s no ads on my phone, and one ui is pretty smooth.
I do use my own launcher so maybe that covers it up, but new Samsung isn’t like what they were a long time ago.
they also didn’t donate any money to trump’s vanity projects unlike apple and google.
I have the same experience although I’m still on One UI. S24 Ultra
and one ui is pretty smooth.
Nah. It only stopped lagging, because the hardware got faster. Each hardware generation it got a bit better, after 2015 or so.
I was working on my Mom’s Samsung tonight and can confirm that default One UI is the worst cell phone interface experience I’ve ever had. Needing a skin or launcher is a deal breaker when devices with great OOTB experience exist.
Agree with this. Samsung has great hardware but I hate their software. I switched from them to iOS. Only thing I really hate in iOS is swipe typing and fucking awful autocorrect. Everything else is better than Samsung. They might also have a better camera but it’s hard to keep up with all the leapfrog.
As an Android user, the iOS keyboard is fucking horrendous and I don’t understand how people deal with that every single day.
I’m literally questioning my life choices right now thanks to this keyboard. Somehow they managed to make it worse in iOS 26. I regret ever installing this OS.
The keyboard is bugged and someone JUST caught it on slow mo changing the user input. It’s a wild bug and explains a lot because the iOS keyboard and autocorrect used to the gold standard. It was sooooo good pre-ML.
My complaints are not ones of bugginess. It’s 1. the size and 2. having to switch layers every 3 characters.
iOS allows you to switch keyboards.
Maybe they’re better now, but every other one I tried also sucked. Especially compared to the likes of GBoard or heliboard or FUTO keyboard or many other FOSS Android ones.
You can download gboard.
Oh I didn’t realize that. I’ve only ever seen people use Apple!
I’ve dealt with it by using SwiftKey instead.
I recall Swiftkey being less awful, but with the side benefit of a keylogger, courtesy of Microsoft.
It definitely is. I’m not sure how to overcome this. The app offers the option to use it without an online account, but nothing guarantees that it won’t phone home every second anyway.
I agree and disagree. I switched from a Pixel to an S series and I have to say I like the Samsung better.
While the Samsung UI used to be a sore spot, I think the Pixel design language shift of the past couple years is far worse. All the big colorful pills with too much whitespace… Samsung brings back a proper notification shade with lots of quick buttons, like it used to be 3 or so versions ago with a Pixel. I put my custom launcher on and basically forgot it’s Samsung.
There’s spots all over Android that have been rough that Samsung just, smooths out. It’s like they’re actually using the phone and willing to take matters into their own hands when Google isn’t, because Google is focused on AI assistants and letting everything else rot. Samsung lets you customize, whereas Pixel keeps walking you toward an iOS style experience one step at a time.
DeX, if you have a use for it, is awesome. During my lunch break at work can unplug my laptop from my dock, connect my phone, and have a personal workstation for watching videos, whatever. I also have a much better Private Folder with multiple apps. It’s like Samsung understands that with one device we need separation. Google has been saying a competitor to this is coming, but at this point it’s so far behind I’ll believe it when I see it.
Samsung doesn’t hold you hostage in format wars. My old Pixel in 20fucking23 couldn’t support external storage with anything but FAT32. That’s insane. It was screwing me up trying to easily back up a large file and that was no problem for the Samsung. Same with casting, Google is all in on Chromecast and nothing else, Samsung can CC but it can also Miracast. So now I can cast to any TV instead of only some.
Samsung’s hardware is usually better. They try new things sooner so you have a refined ultrasonic fingerprint sensor while Pixel was still doing illuminated, depending on your version the processors are better.
Now, places where Samsung sucks are obvious and you stated a few. No unlocking is bullshit. I own the phone, I should be able to unlock it. If you’re into tinkering then stay away, but Samsung’s do tend to have higher resale value, so if you want to get into ROMs then you can always sell the Samsung and grab a cheap used Pixel. Samsung kept the headphone jack and uSD around a little longer, but they’re both long gone on today’s models so that’s moot.
Samsung (and I can see where they’re coming from) was concerned with how much control Google had over Android so they made their own first party apps for everything. This means a lot of duplicate apps. I will say that while some can’t be easily uninstalled, they can be easily ignored. I just don’t use most of them and I’m fine. They don’t really force them on you or keep changing them to the default handler or anything. I’m OK with it, but I could see some people being annoyed.
That’s about it honestly… Samsung reminds me a bit of the early Nexus era days. Lots of customization, interesting tech, and work being put into the OS. Google is just plodding along, content to lock people into an iPhone clone and sell AI. I say give them both a try. If you pick up used or a refurb you can save a fortune and easily switch if you don’t like it without losing much if anything.
It’s been a while since I used Samsung. My work phone is a Samsung flip of some sort that gets powered on once a month.
However, it’s not just their phones that have me turned off. Their TVs built in OS is shit and they just had a whole lot of bad press for their fridges that will start showing ads. Not to mention how their appliances tend to have the shortest lifespan of comparably prices appliances.
Good hardware, but consistently anti consumer software.
My very fist Android phone was a Samsung and while it had all kinds of cool features like TV out and an IR blaster, the software never got updated. I ended up installing and tinkering with custom ROMs and that led me to the Nexus line when it first launched. I stayed with Google ever since because they kept the Nexus and A series affordable, and had a much nicer clean OS with constant updates.
When they switched from Nexus to Pixel they decided they wanted to price it like an iPhone, even though it totally lacked the polish and value proposition. I stuck with my Nexus until they introduced the A series. It was affordable and new, but lacked video out, wireless charging, and thr SD card. Things the Nexus line all had. It was the beginning of the iphone-ification of Android IMO, but there were no other good options because every other vendor abandoned their phones after a year.
Now several years later things have only gotten worse. The amount of brands selling Android phone that are actually decent is like 2, maybe 3, they all are just slate designs with nothing interesting, and only a few actually give you proper updates. Samsung stands out in that crowd for having the most interesting phones and still decent support, but I agree that they are too expensive when new, and the locked bootloader sucks.
As you mentioned I’m 100% I’m just talking about Samsung’s phones here. Samsung as an entire company is one I would stay away from in most cases. I also would never buy one of their appliances and while I may have considered their TVs in the past due to them being an excellent panel manufacturer, I would think twice today.
Totally fair.
I do admit the phones look cool and have some very nice features. But they’ve been on my “never buy” list for a long time for all their products, phones included.
I think not being able to uninstall Facebook was one of the breaking points when I last trialed their phone.
Eww, yeah that’s not cool. Was that Samsung forcing that on the phone or the carrier? I know US carries are atrocious for their uninstallable apps like that. Regardless shame on Samsung and the others for allowing it. The only apps that came on mine were Samsung apps.
Regardless, your dislike is completely justified. I really wish someone else could step up and make the phone we need. Repairable, jack/slot, small-midsize, proper updates, but I just don’t think the market is there. The iphone-ification of smartphones is basically complete, and now Microsoft is trying to do it to the desktop. In the future there’s going to be a lot of old people telling stories to their grandkids about how they used to own a computer and choose what was installed…
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Even back then. I discovered on my Galaxy S3 (2011/2013?) that you have to buy some softwre from them, to edit the boot animations in their own proprietary format (a novum back then). Then they got Knox and stuff. Their entire bootchain is now a custom proprietary hackjob.
If your wanting to switch for privacy reasons I would go for a Pixel and put a custom ROM on it.
Is there a reason you are tied to the idea of it being a flagship? I’ve been using the A series of Pixels forever and love them.
This i 100% agree with, the construction of the A series phones is easier to hold and less fragile, and the performance difference is negligible unless you play mobile games
Compared to the Pixel / Pixel Pro, the Performance difference is pretty much nil because they’re all on the same SoC.
I use my phone often for photography
the pixel pros have had the same camera system since 6. I have 8 pro, and I had the 6 pro before. they kinda suck, they’re buggy and feel cheap but I got it because of grapheneOS
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$1000 is too much for a phone.
If you wait for a deal to January, you can probably get a Samsung Galaxy S25 Plus for under $700.
If you want to really save money, you can get an S24 and it will still have half a year of upgrades.
The s24 series has 7 years of updates
Sorry. I meant half a decade. You are correct.
Came here to say the same thing 😭
Ehhhh I build a computer that lasts eight years or more for 2KUSD
I think spending 1.5kUSD on a pocket computer that stays fast and works amazingly for at least five years is legit. I got my last phone five years ago and didn’t even need to upgrade, I just wanted more storage space and 120hz screen. Oh and better cameras. But 1-2k is not too much for a phone if you use it as a pocket computer with… what rivals a DSLR but you don’t have to bring your DALE with you, attached to it.
You can get a decent phone for cheap, but it’s gonna be kinda shit it a couple years. I don’t have to lug my Nikon with me anymore and that’s great.
I do agree with the notion that phones in todays society are hugely important and spending money on what for most people might be their most important computing device is valid.
But the thing is that you really don’t need to spend this kind of money to get all the performance 95% of people need. Unless you want a foldable phone or NEED the telefoto-lense that is often reserved for higher end models (but I assume even then there are cheap options),
As an example here in Germany you can get a pixel 9 for under 500€, if you get a cheap mobile contract even cheaper (I pay 15€/month over 2 years and got a free pixel 9 with the mobile plan). All the performance you need and makes great photos. And for anyone who wants lots of storage there are still phones with sd card readers
No
Just jumped from Android to iOS, and I maintain Android phones for family, seen lots of both since the iPhone 4.
My advice…
Cheap out.
Either keep your phone or get an iPhone on firesale. There is no point to getting a Pro.
Android freaking sucks now, as you can either get a custom ROM and break finance apps, or bog your phone down (and let it go obsolete, quickly) with the stock operating system and rampant spyware via every app you install. You can’t even uninstall bloatware anymore, like you used to. And it will get worse once sideloading is gone.
And flagship Android phones are awful. They either cost a fortune unlocked and ‘mostly stock,’ or they run absolutely horrid, spammy, battery sucking UIs (looking at you, Samsung).
…Apple pro phones are no different. I just went on a whole vacation with iPhone 16 Plus and 17 Pros side by side, and its just not worth spending more on anymore. The UI has regressed some. But at least Apple reigns in/restrics apps you install and keeps the experience pretty clean.
If you want great pictures, grab a nice point and shoot with optical zoom and sensor stabilization. They’re incredible now. In fact, on a recent trip, I discovered my 2008 Canon takes better zoom photos than brand new iPhone 17 Pros.
EDIT:
If you must get an Android phone, get one with as close-to-stock a UI as possible.
I do not game on phones, but my best experiences have, ironically, been with ‘gaming’ phones like the Razer Phone 2 and Asus phones. They have gigantic batteries, lots of RAM, and lean, stock UIs that let you disable/uninstall apps, hence they’re fast as heck and last forever. I only gave up my Razer Phone 2 because the mic got clogged up with dust, and I miss it.
The phones in the midrange are getting to be better than the top end ones in my opinion. Decent enough build quality for the phone to last 3-4 years. Expensive enough that the bloatware is reduced. If the company does do a modified launcher it’s generally pretty clean.
I am liking the OnePlus 13R I picked up. Stable UI, decent battery life, and not a bad price. The stock launcher does a pretty decent job.
For my work phone I have a Pixel 8. I really regret buying it. I had to disable 30 different bloatware apps. Plus I have 4 apps that I have rejected all updates because they can’t be disabled. I also installed a launcher because the stock pixel UI is trash. The hardware is solid and works well once you clear out the buggy bloatware
Apple made a major fuckup with IOS26. I upgraded my iPad and felt nauseous from the blur effect almost instantly. I can’t completely get rid of it, just make it less horrific. Their “new” multitasking options I am not even bothering to turn on or try to use yet. This is like their 10th edition of multitasking. Let’s see if they get it right this time. Then I will bother to learn their “simple” process that usually involves having to read a manual and remember half a dozen new commands. Fuck it still takes me 2 or 3 attempts to get the the home screen without a button.
If you haven’t tried yet, for your iPad try going Settings -> Accessibility-> Motion, and enable Reduce Motion and Prefer Cross-Fade Transitions. Both helped me, because I hated the blur effects too.
Alternatively, go into Accessibility-> Display and Text Size and turn on Reduce Transparency. This pretty much eliminates the garbage transparent nonsense. I actually enjoy the motion effects and the one time I tried turning them off, I found it pretty jarring. But reduce transparency pretty much wipes it out. It’s a solid option.
Yep I did it. There is still some annoying bits of it floating around that you can’t get rid of.
The only other thing I’ve found that helped was under Accessibility -> Display & Text Size -> Reduce Transparency, the nausea-inducing design decisions really are baffling
Custom Roms like Graphene, Calyx are the answer. And there are quite a few finance apps that do work, look it up for the ones you actually need before switching.
I do not game on phones, but my best experiences have, ironically, been with ‘gaming’ phones like the Razer Phone 2 and Asus phones. They have gigantic batteries, lots of RAM, and lean, stock UIs that let you disable/uninstall apps, hence they’re fast as heck and last forever. I only gave up my Razer Phone 2 because the mic got clogged up with dust, and I miss it.
While I kind of agree (though I don’t really like the “gamer” aesthetics), Asus only offers two major updates and two years of patches, which is quite short.
https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-update-policies-1658633/
If someone games with their phone and plans to frequently upgrade for new hardware, they may not care. But if you get the hardware just to have a large battery and RAM, that may be a concern.
EDIT: Also, no mmWave support, which may or may not matter to someone.
Need advice on $1000 flagships
Get a $500 non-flagship. Basically the same but a bit less AI-noise in the pictures it takes.
I can recommend the Xperia line, especially if you liked the old iPhones better than the phablet ones.
Don’t spend iPhone money on an Android. Definitely don’t on a Samsung unless you like having both Google and Samsung’s versions of basic applications such as phone, messages, calendar, browser etc.
Motorola do a very minimally customised Android .
Yea my $200-300 Motorola’s have been good for years. Why waste 4x on a phone?
There’s definitely benefit in going further up market (the $600 range tends to be where diminishing returns really kick in, where the differences between a $300 phone and a $600 phone are pretty obvious, the $600 and the $1000 phone are much harder to spot the differences) and if you buy a used generation or two old device you can really save some cash. My wife and I both got Pixel 7s last year for about $250 a pop, and they’ve still got several years of updates left on them
Not all Samsung phones are the same. Carrier versions are usually the one’s that come neutered and bloated. While international versions are unlocked and allow to uninstall anything. Including Google’s applications. I wished they wouldn’t be working on permanently locking the boot loader, that is their real sin.
I was a lifelong android user, mostly pixels, and switched to a an iPhone 14 pro 4 years ago. This is the first phone I’ve had that’s lasted 3+ years, that’s never crashed, and still runsas quickly and smoothly as when I bought it. Apple would have to seriously fuck something up for me to ever go back to an android.
I’m the opposite. I switched to Apple in 2018 and their most recent changes have made me start looking at Android again.
My biggest gripe is the crappy liquid UI and terribly low QA they have now. I’ve never had a more buggy experience in my life.
If I ever figure out how to move all my 2FA stuff over to another phone I will most likely switch.
It’s atrocious. I’ve been an Apple user since 2007, and I am almost ready to move everything I can to Linux, and set up home assistant. Apple Home is straight garbage anyway; it’s barely functional, and they have abandoned the software.
Got an iPhone from my work… I really want to like it, but damn, I miss the back button.
Yeah it took me a while to get used to swiping to go back but I think I prefer it now.
Only on apps that support it. That’s the maddening part. It’s not unified.
The nice thing on Android is that all apps support it somehow.
Because the system just send Back.
The players (gestures) might change, but the game (command) stays the same. Lol
I was a lifelong Android fan boy but I switched because Googles CEO was giving Trump fellacio at the inauguration, not like Tim Cook is any better.
I like iOS better because the battery life is insane and it’s a more stable platform.
I’m hoping the last iphone I bought will last until we get entirely new communication devices because the way this bs is going is bleak as fuck.
I switched from a Pixel to a Samsung and I would like to inform you that Samsung is bullshit. The phone is nice and all but I’m always fighting the software. Google Pixel software stays out of your way and occasionally helps you.
As a Pixel 6 Pro user who occasionally has to interact with the Samsung devices my parents use, holy moly I don’t know how anybody puts up with this. We’re talking fullscreen advertisement lockscreen bloatware that can be disabled but not uninstalled, added to the phone out of nowhere with a recent update. The worst android keyboard I’ve ever used in my life. A UI and all of Samsung’s versions of existing apps that I’m constantly fighting just to use the phone. It’s ridiculous. I genuinely don’t know how anyone can run a Samsung device without installing a custom ROM or something it’s actually insane.
I’m another happy Pixel 6 Pro user. I use GrapheneOS so my phone doesn’t have adware (or Google for that matter).
Great battery life, beautiful 120hz display, quality cameras. The only bad thing is replacing the battery isn’t easy (though I’m not having issues with the original battery yet)
I’ve not run into any of these issues…but as I went from iPhone to samsung perhaps its all just a matter of perspective. Perhaps the Pixel is superior.
I check each year what the reviews are saying and the Samsung always seem to edge out on top for what I want - a large device (i get the Ultra) with a premium build and great camera. I also have a samsung watch so the integrations work quite nicely. I found the google wallet on the watch constantly asked for my pin while the samsung wallet only would the first time since I put it on. Oh and you have to unlock your device to use Google Wallet as your travel payment…with samsung wallet I can just tap and go which is much more preferable to me as it means my eyes are up and paying attention to my world, not looking at my phone unlocking it.
None of that comes activated by default. Sure, there are some dark patterns that trick people into activating bullshit. But anyone with half a brain and a minimum attention span not rotten yet by social media will click no on those prompts. Once disabled at the first startup, Samsung doesn’t bother you ever again. You can uninstall every single Samsung app and substitute with your favorite, no issue. This includes all Google apps, except play services because of Google.
As for ads and uninstallable bloat, it’s probably a carrier version. Those do get bloated and get ads. But otherwise, the international unlocked versions don’t show any ads at all. I’ve never seen an ad in my S25 phone and use nearly all Foss apps. The phone has never refused to uninstall anything. The effort to do that is pretty minimum, no tech knowledge required. Just learn to say no to software, it’s not rocket science. People got conditioned to saying yes to every prompt just to make it go away. This is how they get you. But it is not mandatory or out of your power to disable that stuff.
And for the UI, it’s a subjective matter of taste. I’ve never liked any of the alternative launchers either, they all suck in some minor way that breaks their gimmick. OneUI is fine and perfectly functional, it even has more customization and QoL features than stock launcher and other truly bullshit launchers like Xiaomi’s.
I totally agree with Samsung being bullshit. As for how people can accept that, well, it’s probably the only ecosystem they know. My experience is anecdotal, but I’ve been to parts of the world where it’s iPhone vs Samsung. Like, USB-c is a Samsung plug. So, just as people get attached to the iPhone UI, regardless of model, people do the same with Samsung.
Speaking of bullshit, has anyone elseatched Pixel’s deletion of the back button? While I’ve been conditioned on how it works, there’s still a number of app swipes that turn into “back” commands instead.
I miss the Nexus lineup.
What’s your reasoning for wanting to switch?
Honestly I would be upgrading phones anyway and the experience on the apple side is feeling stale. Their software is getting less stable with each release, while the amount of crammed in features is going up.
GrapheneOS is nice, and a way to keep your phone going even longer. Also supereasy to install.
I’d go with the pixel. Even if they might be the worst on battery life 🤔
Easy 24+ hour on a pixel with graphene for me. OP may not tolerate loss of tap to pay functions, though.
I use tap to pay? 🤔 A lot of bank apps do support grapheneos, but it is worth checking
Yea, is usually good enough battery life for most ppl
What banking apps support contactless payment?
eh I got something called vipps? it is a different app yes - sry
and paypal seems to work https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/22297-paypal-tap-to-pay-coming/16
Interesting, I didn’t realize that was part of DMA. Does that apply to Google/Android as well? And will it work outside of the EU? (probably not).
Not sure about paypal, since it’s a trial thing - but there are more apps listed on the banking list https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/privsec.dev/blob/main/content/posts/android/Banking Applications compatibility with GrapheneOS.md
“iCard” seems to have nfc payments f.ex and is listed as international
Yeah but this is a “banking list”, which is a different thing entirely from a “contactless payment compatibility” list.
What do you mean, going longer? GrapheneOS stops updates the same moment google does, AFAIK.
Not sure where you’re located, but if you’re in the EU you can consider Fairphone for an extremely repairable phone instead. The 6 doesn’t have the specs of proper flagships, but it’s quite a step in the ethical direction in my opinion.
…hard agree. Depending on use case, you do not need top notch hardware anyway. Also, degoogling a Fairphone is extremely easy.
I would either get a pixel and put graphene os on it, or just get the iPhone. Android is trash for privacy.
Honestly, if you’re coming from IPhone you won’t find any meaningful advice on Lemmy. Everyone here hates iPhones, and will try to sell you on phones with little to no market support. They’ll tell you to wipe the device and boot load your own OS.
I haven’t used an android in years but their strength is the flexibility in apps and you have a lot more options in terms of app ecosystem. That said I don’t know how long you’ve had an iPhone but if you exclusively use the apple ecosystem like MacOS, Apple Music, Apple TV it’s not worth changing it unless you are fully committed to starting over.
The other thing to consider is the camera. If you take photos every single day the Samsung phones will be your best bet.
Regardless of what brand you choose, buy it from the manufacturer. I bought my prior Samsung from Verizon and the bloatware was horrible.
Is this even a thing you can avoid anymore? You connect to the network with their SIM installed and it immediately downloads the apps they say you need.
I don’t know what carrier you use, but after I bought my new phone from the OEM I didn’t have that happen
I bought a new phone a couple months ago and on the first setup it installed their app. Then when I traveled soon after the eSim I was using installed something else when I connected to that network.
If you’re seeking privacy, I bought a Pixel 9 from a clearance sale (at a $200 discount) and the only difference for me personally is a one year support timeline difference. You can install GrapheneOS using their official guide and never touch the Google OS.
