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I have commited the Num-Code for ™ to muscle memory.

Other interests include bicycles, bread making and DIY. I do own a 3D-printer and adore the Nintendo 3ds.

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  • I got myself a broken, 12 year old, 2nd hand e-bike for 100€. The battery still lasted a year, then I replaced it for 150€. It has since become my main mode of transport.

    At this point it’s not even counterculture, but good economic thinking. I need to help repair broken bikes for my family to not feel like a dirty Capitalist for how much money this thing saves me nowadays.

    So bikes may not be the cheapest hobby, but if you get so into it that you do your own repairs, its worth every hour in terms of money and fullfilment.


  • But your facts based on data were for other questions, questions I didn’t ask, you do realise that? If I had asked how many fatbikes were illegally fast, you’d have nailed it, but it didn’t answer anything on if they were tuned or not.

    I know it is only an estimate, but why are you being so hostile about that? I had a specific question, you found some sources that showed related facts, but nothing on your original claim. I appreciate that effort. I now find a rough estimate, do you have a reason to doubt it? Why?

    I believe at this point, you are just being angry at me for the sake of it. Take a breather, I assure you everything I wrote was genuine, I am just particular about this 1 question. If you don’t see the point, that’s fine.

    I am not entirely satisfied with an estimate either, but it is something to go off.



  • If you don’t want to believe something that’s fine but that doesn’t change the fact that it is true.

    But you never showed anything that said it is true, you are the one believing without checking for the facts. I am the one saying: I don’t know if people actually go out of their way to tune their e-bikes. If you are sick of searching for sources, all you need to say is “I don’t know, I just feel like a lot of people get their limiter removed, I don’t have any sources on that.”

    How about you find me some numbers about

    You cannot ask me to prove a negative, everyone knows that.

    In the context of mandating a limiter being built in by law, it is important to distinguish between people who get the limiter removed, and people who buy bikes which never had a limiter, because group 1 spends effort or money to make their bike illegal, and the group 2 doesn’t spend to make their bike legal.

    I agree, in the context of “people drive illegally fast”, this does not matter.



  • I concede, they know when the bike is seized. But what I meant is that they could be unaware when they buy it, or at least claim that.

    And if my translation is accurate, this other source also doesn’t answer if they alter the bike by getting someone to tune it, or if they were illegal to drive the moment they got their hands on the bike. It claims more than half were modified, but the cited report just says that they were faster than allowed. Bad headline!

    Again, you said people buy a lawful vehicle and just know a guy that removes limiters. That is something I have trouble believing. I say, it’s far more likely that Amazon will sell a bike that naturally goes faster, like the 20mph ones that are legal right now in California, to anyone, and regions with stricter rules for e-bikes have people who don’t know or don’t care.

    This distinction is important to me, because it shifts the blame from big manufacturers and warehouse corporations who knowingly sell illegal bikes to thousands, to some backyard garage that helped like 6 friends get more power. If the goal is to make our streets safer, going after the thousands will do way more. If truly half of people know someone to remove or remove their limiters themselves, it would be a different story, but all these sources say is that half of used fat bikes are illegal.


  • Hold on, it does not say why those bikes were seized. It does not say anything on if they had no limiter, a thottle or if they were manufactured to go faster. But that is what I’m asking about, is the manufacturer/importer breaking the law or is it the consumer? Well, the consumer is either way for using it, but they could be just unaware. You know what I mean, it is different if you deliberately mess with the electronics to go faster.

    The VVN spokesperson saying “the limiter can easily be removed” doesn’t convince me either, is that a huge problem or an edge case?

    Is there any credible source on around half of fat-bikes have their limiters removed?