• purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    5 months ago

    I bang on about the DPRK not being Marxist, but I must admit that I’m not that familiar with what the state ideology truly was before the '70s. The more modern statements that I’ve seen on this topic were less than inspiring, though obviously still leagues ahead of Occupied Korea.

    I think more of the quoted passage is also worth reading:

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    In those days when we waged the revolutionary struggle there were many women revolutionaries. Today, in south Korea, too, many women faithfully carry on the revolutionary struggle without yielding to the enemy in the slightest. At present, however, our officials believe that women are able to perform no other revolutionary work than to serve as chairmen of the Women’s Union organizations at best. Women are human beings, just like men, and they account for half the total population of our country.

    Why, then, can they not become cadres and direct men? In the final analysis, women are not trained to be cadres because our officials have the wrong concept and attitude towards them and the outdated feudal-Confucian ideas are working in their minds. It is because our officials retain these old ideas that they hold women back from playing their part even when they are promoted to cadres. I am told that a certain man is displeased with his wife working as a cadre and torments her, with the result that she cannot perform her duties properly. This is due to the fact that Party organizations neglect the education of men. Moreover, it is said that if a man respects his wife and helps her to carry on social activities with success, some people mock him, saying that he is submissive to his wife. They are absolutely mistaken.

    Because survivals of the old ideas persist in their minds in no small measure, our officials refuse to train women to be cadres and tend to look down upon women cadres. Once I held talks with vice-directors of the departments of the Party Central Committee. When the talks were over, a woman vice-director stood behind the male vice-directors and went out after them. Perhaps she herself thought that she should go out after all the men. On seeing this, I thought that cadres in the Party Central Committee themselves still had the wrong attitude towards women. When this is the attitude of the officials of the Party Central Committee towards women, there is no need to mention those of provinces and counties.

    Party organizations should see to it that officials acquire a correct concept of women and make efforts to train many women to be cadres. Nowadays it is noticeable in the country areas that men walk about with briefcases under their arms while women all work in the fields. This will not do. Men should do difficult work and instead women should be allowed to go around carrying handbags. Party organizations should educate men properly so that in society women are respected and their socio-political activities are fully guaranteed. In schools, too, students must be taught to respect women.

    His writing style reminds me pretty strongly of Mao.

    To be clear, the anti-Marxist trends unambiguously started with Kim Il-Sung and, as a blatant example, the striking of references to Marxism from the constitution happened in 1992, right on the heels of the collapse of the Soviet Union, which sure isn’t a good look. I guess what I’m wondering is the degree to which he ever was really interested in Marxism versus doing what other countries did and adopting that language to get along with the Eastern Bloc (this was most infamously done by Cambodia, though there is absolutely no equivalence between the two governments generally).

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        5 months ago

        NKNews is a website that mostly rehosts articles published by KCNA, DPRK’s own news agency, except NKNews is anti-DPRK. I’ve seen DPRK issue press statements accusing NKNews of violating international copyright law by rehosting DPRK’s articles.

        Here is an article about the Institute with the portraits hosted on DPRK’s website. Click the camera icon for photos. You can see the Marx/Lenin most clearly on photo 28 of the collage

        http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/349a3f1f2c57f1ccfc8a11db87854fb5.kcmsf

        https://archive.is/jt8tA

        Here is DPRK saying that NKNews is an illegal organization. https://archive.is/u37VK

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        Thanks for pointing this out. The paywall really hits different in this context. I was familiar with there being a presentation hosted by the WPK going over the history of socialism going all the way back to Fourier, which naturally put great emphasis on Marx and Lenin, but I missed there being public portraits even though I think it was probably reported in some of the same articles.

        Anyway, it’s better for them to have that than not have that, I guess, but do you see why I might not find it all that meaningful? I was mostly trying to express a question about trying to understand where Kim Il-Sung believed what he was saying regarding Marxism versus paying lip service. KJU putting up portraits but continuing with his not-even-revisionist ideological lines that he inherited from his grandfather (with various transformations, but I don’t think those are very relevant here). Like, this really strikes me as red-washing that is even more superficial than what I was already calling extremely suspect.

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          I’m not sure if it’s red washing either, it just seemed like relevant info. I haven’t yet read the entire Espresso Stalinist blog post to have an informed opinion (sorry). blob-no-thoughts

          archive.ph seems to be down, but you can probably open it in a private/incognito window.

          Edit: Private browsing isn’t working either. I was able to read the entire article just a few minutes ago, too. Apparently I don’t know how the web works.

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            5 months ago

            There’s no need to apologize, but I think you might find the article interesting. The worst part is the start where he’s occupied with his Hoxhaist ax-grinding; the rest is pretty succinct and helpful imo, even if I don’t agree with everything he asserts.

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          I don’t see it as red washing at all. The idea of there being a national bourgeois class ruling the country under a false revolution doesn’t make sense if they’re just giving lectures on ML political theory to build party cadres this just seems undialectical.

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            5 months ago

            Legitimizing yourself by pointing to a heritage is very different from training cadres using a specific political theory that is part of but definitely not all of that heritage (again, it went back to Fourier), especially given we have no specific evidence of that presentation representing broader patterns of instruction, and that presentation itself is not especially Marxist. Meanwhile, we can see in the article that I linked in the first comment that they do give instructions that are completely opposed to the basic ideas of Marxism.