• cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Just for anyone who still holds out hope: NATO as we have known it is over. The US won’t come to the defense of the other members if they are attacked. It’s time to move on.

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      This was Putin’s goal. Destabilize NATO. Crumbling US alliances is just the cherry on top.

      We are losing long friends and close allies.

      All because a plurality of voters want to feel powerful.

      Even if it’s for a brief moment.

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      nor should they trust us with ANYTHING until a new administration. and only then after a long time of repair and re-establishing of long term trust.

      our rollercoaster is coming off the rails, it would be silly for 5eyes or any other allies to trust anything from this absolute shitshow.

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        As long as the US does not reform its democracy there is no chance of rebuilt trust. The president now being immune against the law, the way he can dictate by executive order and the broken election system mean that there is no long term planning possible. Combine that with their utterly defunct news system and I only see them sliding further downwards.

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    Do we want them to participate in the planning. Before you know it they sell the plans (and everything else) to Putin. I think it is time we start to treat them as a untrustworthy nation.

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    It seems ever less likely the US will participate in the NATO summit in The Hague. Too bad for Mark, though people living and working there will probably not mind.

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      Pretty sure that if a US military person crosses the threshold of the Hague they catch on fire

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      Looking more and more likely to see US folks in the Hague for vastly different reasons in the future…

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    what even is their goal? just yet i refuse to believe there is none and that theyre just dumb, because theyre obviously not.

    america first for every price? but would it not be better to trade with us and have us as allies versus china and russia? we would spend our money and work together so its all more efficient.

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      I strongly disagree. They are actually very dumb and there is no grand strategy at play here. While everyone tries to understand the sense behind the erratic decisions, there really is not much to understand at all. It’s as simple as “we don’t want to spend money on European defense anymore”, so all activities related to that are stopped, without any regard to the consequences.

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      It has nothing to do with “America First”, if so then dismantling the entire US superpower hegemony and its alliances would be a contraproductive move.

      This has everything to do with “Russia First”.

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      The goal is to turn USA into a puppet state for Russia. Trump is going to try to cancel elections and ultimately Americans will be drafted to fight for Russia. Assuming trump has his way.

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      The voters are stupid, all they see is “america first fuck yeah!” They don’t understand or care about the consequences

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        Had a nice long chat with a customer at work about what all she’s growing, how she’s doing it. Talked about cars and what her and my wife drive, how well they worked out. Very pleasant.

        As she was breaking off the conversation she said, “And we’re taking America back! Isn’t that great! We’re taking it back!”

        I had no idea how to reply, strange for me. Taking what back from who and how and what the fuck does that even mean?

        Yes. They’re that dumb and they’ll keep being dumb until the consequences hit them in the face. Personally.