it happens anyway! on this topic people act like nobody ever has issues with windows but issues with windows are actually constant, people are just accustomed to dealing with them and posts about them are relegated to background noise.
I agree. I’ve fully been on Linux for almost a year now. Anyone who portrays Linux as being that straightforward and uncomplicated is being misleading and inaccurate. Linux is difficult. Getting it to do things you want is difficult. It takes time and energy and interest.
I’d still advocate to use it. Linux gets easier every year and long may that simplification continue. But don’t jump into using Linux if you’re not ready to.
I ran archinstaller, then installed plasma, and everything works. My media keys, function keys, suspend on close, all the basic tooling of userspace is there. I guess I had to read a paragraph on a wiki page to make the fingerprint scanner work but I literally just searched “thinkpad fingerprint arch” and installed fprint so hardly mystical.
I’m glad it worked smoothly for you and it sometimes is a smooth effortless experience for some people; but if you want to “convert” people then you’ve got to be honest about the fact that people commonly face difficulties. I’ve commented about my Linux issues before and I can paste the comment again here to give an example:
One of the first issues I had problems with was figuring out what was wrong with Street Fighter 6 giving ultra low frame rates in multiplayer, but working fine in single player. It needed disabling of split lock protections in the CPU.
A recent update in OpenSUSE made the computer fail to boot half the time and made the image on the right half of the screen garbled. I rolled back to before the update and am using it without updating for a few weeks to see if the GPU driver problem gets ironed out.
I installed VMware Horizon for my job’s remote work login and it fucked up my Steam big picture mode and controller detection. I didn’t bother trying to figure that out and just uninstalled VMware remote desktop.
I managed to install my printer driver, but manually finding the correct RPM file to install would not be tolerable for normies.
I still can’t get my Dualshock 3 controller to pair via Bluetooth despite instructions on the OpenSUSE wiki. I’ve stopped trying to troubleshoot that and use my 8BitDo controller instead.
I still can’t find a horizontal page scrolling PDF app.
Figuring out how to edit fstab to automount my secondary drives is not a process normies would be able to execute. I still can’t figure out how to use this to auto-mount my Synology NAS.
Plasma recently added monitor brightness controls to software and these seem to have disappeared for me now, and I can’t figure out why.
I can’t get CopyQ to launch minimised, no matter what I do.
My KDE Plasma task bar widgets for monitoring CPU/GPU temp worked till I reinstalled OpenSUSE, and I can’t figure out why they’ve decided to not work on this fresh install. System monitor can see the temperature sensors just fine still. Update: this seems to have fixed itself (maybe through am update?).
Flatpak Steam app wouldn’t pick up controllers for some reason. Minor issue, but unnecessary jankiness.
My laptop fingerprint reader plainly isn’t supported.
People do not tolerate this amount of jankiness. And this doesn’t include the discomfort with relearning minor design differences between OS’s when switching. Linux is a bit of a battle with relearning and troubleshooting things that would never be problematic on Windows.
Nah, I’m very computer literate, built my own PC, can troubleshoot most software and hardware on Windows and sometimes Mac… I’m not a genius but my family and friends consider me the ‘computer fixer guy’ of the group.
I’ve got Linux on my little laptop - constant troubleshooting. I want a specific program? Ah, well here’s this knock-off version that is almost totally functional but pretty inaccessible and the only tutorials for it are buried deep in some random forum, if at all. Oh, and you have to install these other versions and plugins, and it must be done via this specific command line. It’s just not accessible for easy use yet. Gaming? Oh, just use proton, except for this particular game, where you have to… go to some niche forum and follow a 25 step guide, and then it might work, depending on your graphics card. Come on, try it, don’t you have a spare 4 hours to set aside?
It’s almost inevitable given that the computing monopolies don’t optimise for Linux at all. It’s a hostile environment, and to me it’s still more hassle than it’s worth.
I think if I had a day or so to set it all up with a Linux expert they’d have me on the right course, but as far as plug and load goes, in a time when I don’t have any time at all, Windows just works.
Of course, it’s being enshittified faster and faster. I expect I’ll have to switch to Linux some day properly.
You might say: ‘MaoTheLawn’, you’re a stupid moron, its totally easy, just read the right guide!
If it was, I would be saying it was! It just isn’t a simple enough switch for someone who has a million and one other things going on in their life.
Maybe I just haven’t found the right Linux version for me yet.
I must have just lucked out with my hardware or something. I’ve never had a problem and everything just works. Much better experience than installing and running Windows. I also run a Mac with OSX too though.
My unpopular tech opinion is Windows Subsystem for Linux is good enough for people that want to tinker with Linux without dealing with OS and/or driver problems. Same for Apple computers that are functional BSD machines without the headaches.
I’ll tell you a little secret: desktop linux is not very good and it’s not getting better. Don’t believe anyone who tells you they found a perfect operating system
Im not doing all that work just to get linux going
that work being run installer and then click the install software button and install steam/libreoffice/firefox.
Deceiver. If Linux was so simple Linux users wouldn’t constantly be posting for help to get shit running
windows users do this too people are just totally desensitized to it
Newbies would post about Windows and Mac if they didn’t come pre-installed. :beanis:
it happens anyway! on this topic people act like nobody ever has issues with windows but issues with windows are actually constant, people are just accustomed to dealing with them and posts about them are relegated to background noise.
I agree. I’ve fully been on Linux for almost a year now. Anyone who portrays Linux as being that straightforward and uncomplicated is being misleading and inaccurate. Linux is difficult. Getting it to do things you want is difficult. It takes time and energy and interest.
I’d still advocate to use it. Linux gets easier every year and long may that simplification continue. But don’t jump into using Linux if you’re not ready to.
I ran archinstaller, then installed plasma, and everything works. My media keys, function keys, suspend on close, all the basic tooling of userspace is there. I guess I had to read a paragraph on a wiki page to make the fingerprint scanner work but I literally just searched “thinkpad fingerprint arch” and installed fprint so hardly mystical.
I’m glad it worked smoothly for you and it sometimes is a smooth effortless experience for some people; but if you want to “convert” people then you’ve got to be honest about the fact that people commonly face difficulties. I’ve commented about my Linux issues before and I can paste the comment again here to give an example:
One of the first issues I had problems with was figuring out what was wrong with Street Fighter 6 giving ultra low frame rates in multiplayer, but working fine in single player. It needed disabling of split lock protections in the CPU.
A recent update in OpenSUSE made the computer fail to boot half the time and made the image on the right half of the screen garbled. I rolled back to before the update and am using it without updating for a few weeks to see if the GPU driver problem gets ironed out.
I installed VMware Horizon for my job’s remote work login and it fucked up my Steam big picture mode and controller detection. I didn’t bother trying to figure that out and just uninstalled VMware remote desktop.
I managed to install my printer driver, but manually finding the correct RPM file to install would not be tolerable for normies.
I still can’t get my Dualshock 3 controller to pair via Bluetooth despite instructions on the OpenSUSE wiki. I’ve stopped trying to troubleshoot that and use my 8BitDo controller instead.
I still can’t find a horizontal page scrolling PDF app.
Figuring out how to edit fstab to automount my secondary drives is not a process normies would be able to execute. I still can’t figure out how to use this to auto-mount my Synology NAS.
Plasma recently added monitor brightness controls to software and these seem to have disappeared for me now, and I can’t figure out why.
I can’t get CopyQ to launch minimised, no matter what I do.
My KDE Plasma task bar widgets for monitoring CPU/GPU temp worked till I reinstalled OpenSUSE, and I can’t figure out why they’ve decided to not work on this fresh install. System monitor can see the temperature sensors just fine still. Update: this seems to have fixed itself (maybe through am update?).
Flatpak Steam app wouldn’t pick up controllers for some reason. Minor issue, but unnecessary jankiness.
My laptop fingerprint reader plainly isn’t supported.
People do not tolerate this amount of jankiness. And this doesn’t include the discomfort with relearning minor design differences between OS’s when switching. Linux is a bit of a battle with relearning and troubleshooting things that would never be problematic on Windows.
Nah, I’m very computer literate, built my own PC, can troubleshoot most software and hardware on Windows and sometimes Mac… I’m not a genius but my family and friends consider me the ‘computer fixer guy’ of the group.
I’ve got Linux on my little laptop - constant troubleshooting. I want a specific program? Ah, well here’s this knock-off version that is almost totally functional but pretty inaccessible and the only tutorials for it are buried deep in some random forum, if at all. Oh, and you have to install these other versions and plugins, and it must be done via this specific command line. It’s just not accessible for easy use yet. Gaming? Oh, just use proton, except for this particular game, where you have to… go to some niche forum and follow a 25 step guide, and then it might work, depending on your graphics card. Come on, try it, don’t you have a spare 4 hours to set aside?
It’s almost inevitable given that the computing monopolies don’t optimise for Linux at all. It’s a hostile environment, and to me it’s still more hassle than it’s worth.
I think if I had a day or so to set it all up with a Linux expert they’d have me on the right course, but as far as plug and load goes, in a time when I don’t have any time at all, Windows just works. Of course, it’s being enshittified faster and faster. I expect I’ll have to switch to Linux some day properly.
You might say: ‘MaoTheLawn’, you’re a stupid moron, its totally easy, just read the right guide! If it was, I would be saying it was! It just isn’t a simple enough switch for someone who has a million and one other things going on in their life.
Maybe I just haven’t found the right Linux version for me yet.
Just use Bazzite.
https://bazzite.gg/
Or Bluefin/Aurora for the non-gamers. Least friction ‘distro’ there is.
I must have just lucked out with my hardware or something. I’ve never had a problem and everything just works. Much better experience than installing and running Windows. I also run a Mac with OSX too though.
understandable, have a nice day
My unpopular tech opinion is Windows Subsystem for Linux is good enough for people that want to tinker with Linux without dealing with OS and/or driver problems. Same for Apple computers that are functional BSD machines without the headaches.
yeah WSL made my dual boot setup redundant. I can just develop for linux now without ever leaving windows
Linux is for computer hobbyists and tech hipsters you can’t change my mind.
Y’all love arguing about the best distro we get it
I’ll tell you a little secret: desktop linux is not very good and it’s not getting better. Don’t believe anyone who tells you they found a perfect operating system
Stfu 2025 is going to be the year of the Linux desktop