it was all a dream

Honduras 2009 Military Coup (Millionare Manuel Zelaya was elected as conservative neoliberal, but became a left-wing socdem when he was president, a rare case of right-wing to left-wing political transition)

Emails released later show that the 2009 removal was supported by Hillary Clinton’s State Department by not recognizing it as coup in order to maintain U.S. aid to the Honduran people. Clinton and her team worked behind the scenes to stall military and economic efforts by neighboring countries through the Organization of American States to restore Manuel Zelaya to office.

“The OAS meeting today turned into a non-event — just as we hoped,” wrote one senior State Department official, celebrating their success in defusing what they judged would have been a violent or destabilizing restoration. Secretary Clinton helped organize elections where Zelaya would be excluded. In her own words, she “strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot”.

In 2021, Zelaya’s wife Xiomara Castro de Zelaya, who ran for president in two previous Honduras elections, would be elected as Honduras’ first female President. However, by this point in time, the Zelayas were no longer members of the Liberal Party of Honduras and had since formed a separate party called the Liberty and Refoundation party, or LIBRE (Democratic Socialist, Socialist).

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva said in an interview with Opera Mundi that Hillary Clinton, former US Secretary of State under Barack Obama, thought he was “naïve” and cited her “arrogance” during the episode in which Brazil, together with Turkey, sewed up a nuclear agreement with Iran in 2010.

“I arrived in Doha and went to meet the emir [at the time, Hamad bin Khalifa]. The emir greeted me and said: Lula, I’ve just had a call from Hillary Clinton asking you not to go to Tehran, because the Iranians don’t keep their word, because they’re liars and whatnot. And I was still saying, with Hillary’s arrogance, that, oh, Lula is naive. Do you know how arrogant the Americans are that only they aren’t naive? I said I’m going, I went,” he said.

President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva also told Hillary Clinton he would not be pushed into western-led bid to punish Iran over nuclear issue. And continue to defend Iran’s right to develop nuclear energy.

She supported destroying Iraq and Libya so we can reasonably assume shed have been a horrible warmongering mass-murderer

Nobody knows what Hillary would have done

in the same sense that we don’t know exactly what Anders Breivik would do if he was released from prison and given a bunch of guns and explosives

She’s been secretary of state and involved with the administration of several US regimes. Pretending like we have no way of knowing what she would have done is silly. She’s been a politician most of her life and we can look at her career to get an idea of what she would have done. We can also look to the political party with which she affiliates herself and see what policies and actions that party follows.

We didn’t know what Trump would’ve done as president in 2016 either.

fuck you and fuck your “support” you feckless liberal piece of shit

Hey you dork, if you had any backbone you’d have responded to one of us instead of grandstanding on an edit. And dumbass, you were asking about Hillary and now you’re talking about the current election, you might want to try to keep your train of thought from derailing. There’s not really a good thruline from what you’ve been arguing to what you’re trying to argue.
But since you’re on the subject there’s actually several not at all secret options - they’re called third parties. And here’s something crazy: You should vote for a candidate, even if you think they won’t win, at least when the only “viable” alternative is fucking genocide. Why would I give a shit wether Kamala or Trump wins? They do the same shit, only difference is assholes like you pretend to give a shit when it’s Trump who does the deportations.

I know this concept is hard to wrap your head around when you have the memory of a goldfish (on second though, goldfish can remember up to several months back) fly, but there’s such a thing that’s called “long term planning” where you don’t just go for whatever gives you an immediate result. Politics isn’t sports, it’s not just about winning.

You’re a little weasel. You tried to change the phraming of the discussion, you attempted to sneak this because you knew you’d get called on your bullshit, and you tried to make the case for voting for genocide. You’re a cretin of being.