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-manitcor

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    I think that anyone who’s been around reddit long enough knew this was coming. Reddit isn’t a free and open platform, and never was. The admins allowed moderators free reign just so long as they didn’t do anything that reddit didn’t want.

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      This wouldn’t be a proper Reddit replacement if an anonymous user didn’t take the time out of his day to type that “free rein” was the correct spelling here

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        Well damnit you are right - in both that it’s not proper reddit replacement without grammar nazis, and that “free rein” is the usual term. It could be argued that reign also works in this case because some moderators seemed to be under the impression that they were unchallenged kings within their subreddit kingdoms.

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        It is?? I’ve been typing it wrong my whole life.

        I’m still writing ‘reign’ though.

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          I think “reign” is like “rule”. - A king reigns over his people.

          “Rein” is the thing that horse cart drivers use to control the horses. So the rope that goes from horses mouth to drivers hand. You can either “rein (in) the horses” for them to do something, or you can let them “free rein”, meaning they can run as they please.

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      lmfao no kidding. part of me is waiting to see the shitshow that happens to some subs without proper moderation. just the amount of bullshit thats gonna be submitted is gonna be intense. and the trolls, oh lord the trolls are gonna have a hayday with once properly moderated subs.

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        For example, /r/nba went dark for a Finals game - the final Finals game where a champion was crowned.

        I’d love to see one or two lower-tier mods take over that sub. It’d become a complete pile of shit.

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            He for a time had the highest karma score of any user. He stepped away from the platform. Many redditors felt it wasn’t a coincidence that the platforms most successful user was also close personal friends with one of the founders (Alexis) and accused the platform and the user of collusion.

            The reality of his situation likely lies somewhere between his and Reddit’s position that his content rose to the top purely organically and other users’ position that his content rose to the top purely through manipulation. He got his start legitimately making funny memes for Photoshop battles but then at a certain point started manipulating the platform (with Reddit’s tacit approval) for his own personal gain

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              I think an important part of the story is how he was very obviously getting deals from companies to use reddit to advertise their products. Remember when he just posted the netflix logo animation?

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                I was trying to find some history of that. I recalled him getting monetary compensation for posting (which is what I was trying to allude to with “personal gain”) but I couldn’t find any specifics. I even kinda think his personal friendship with Alexis had to do with Alexis getting some of the money from advertisers directly in the whole scuzzy affair

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            He was Reddit’s biggest power user, moderator of a significant amount of major subs, constantly on the front page and had the most reach of the website.

            He got caught using alts to boost himself and his account was deleted.

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              You’re thinking of unidan. Gallowboob just sort of stepped away after getting a job doing whassawhahum mumblemumble.

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              Are you partially mixing him up with Unidan and that whole “jackdaw” thing years ago? Or for all I know they both met the same demise lol.

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            Don’t remember if he’s a mod at all, but he’s notorious for the sheer amount of submissions across a lot of popular subs, I think.

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          I haven’t thought of that name since before COVID at least holy shit. Probably longer. What a throwback. Reddit used to be so different

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      Don’t worry, the mods will be paid now. Just by the NRA, Walmart and Russia.

      Reddit is about to be run entirely by shills who will hop into mod spots.

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        I don’t think it’ll be that simple

        There are sooooo many fuckin subs, and while I know there are small handfuls that oversee dozens and dozens, the niche ones that really help user retention will suffer.

        Like, it’s not the huge million+ subs that I’m missing, it’s the smaller localized fandoms and obscure memory subs that I’m really missing.

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        But quality will slip. You can’t just substitute care, concern, and domain knowledge that built a community for some rando. The pillars of the communities are moving on and going elsewhere.

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      People all over reddit have been bitching about supermods and the concentration of power forever. This is what reddit wants, this is the way they become filled with qultists. Easily manipulated, stupid, profitable, and valuable to the next billionaire who wants their own media outlet.

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        Yeah but that supermod legend is actually just not true anymore, of the 5 only awkwardturtle and some other guy didn’t have their account removed, and the two just stopped being present basically.

        Reddit is doomed without mods and Moding a “default sub” is absolutely impossible without third party tools.

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          That’s why the CEO was pushing the importance of shipping their own mod tools on deadline. My guess is that there will be more automated moderation like Facebook uses.

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    They can’t just re-open subreddits and expect it to go over smoothly. These subs will collapse without moderators.

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      Sure they can. They’ll outsource moderation to Bangladesh, pay mods like $0.20 a day, and double the number of ads shown.

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        Considering they didn’t pay any of the moderators as is, I don’t think they would pay for them now.

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          You don’t think they would pay a pittance for mods they can control and who will quell dissent like the blackout before it ever gets off the ground?

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        Lol … All you have to do is give moderators permissions to a teenager with an axe to grind and they’ll work for free for years

        I hate Reddit because of all this stupidity … I’ve jumped ship not looking back and I’m staying on Lemmy

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        Tbh $0.20 a day won’t get you very far even in Bangladesh nowadays. Moderation costs will be quite high in the end for them.

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    Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.

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    Everybody knows that it was bound to happen. Reddit is hopeless and the blackout on its own won’t do good in the long run.

    That’s why I’m trying to kick this out:

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        Agreed. Feels like reddit but 15 years ago, before the dark times, before the Empire - Loving it so far, and reminds me of how the internet used to be this huge frontier before Corporations, Shareholders, and Advertisers moved in and ruined everything.

        These Communities are smaller and some of the more niche groups aren’t here yet but that will change with time. Give it a year or two, and I’m sure those obscure, hilarious groups like Greendawn will migrate over, over.

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          It’s funny how relaxing Lemmy feels. It’s like I’ve been the frog in the slowly heating pot over the years and had no idea how harsh Reddit had become. Right now Lemmy feels like I thought Reddit has always been. But the idea of Reddit now feels so ugly. It’s the same feeling as getting away from bumper to bumper traffic and finally being able to set the cruise control and enjoy the ride.

        • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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          That’s my hope for the Fediverse. We’ll get that frontier feel back while also having the giant easy-access network we’ve come to appreciate in the 10’s and 20’s (over).

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        I was talking about this with a friend - reddit doesn’t have many unique features that folks want, and generally speaking the only thing reddit has of value is the community.

        Hoping folks start migrating to alternatives

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        Super smooth. Just need the content levels to pick up a bit but that will improve over time as more people catch on

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    A lot of these people volunteered their spare time to manage communities for no pay. Wondering how far downhill a lot of these subs will go with Spez putting himself in charge of everything.

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      they won’t. Spez is learning how much of reddit’s success has nothing to do with reddit itself. hopefully we have all learned from the messy and long experiment with letting corps control our gardens.

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      His name is Steve Huffman, and he’s a former mod of r/jailbait and as such a paedophile.

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          Dude for real! I thought people were just saying that because fuck the guy but no it’s actually true. Pretty fucked up! And as far as I had seen on Reddit it wasn’t ever mentioned before although that’s probably because Spez would have shadowbanned and deleted/edited the comments if it did ever out him.

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            They killed Aaron Swartz and close sourced Reddit. That was really the end. People such as the Lemmy founder, knew it which is why they built this, to free us from those power structures. Spez and people like him deserve to burn in their own special hell.

            The great migration is here and we have to work as hard as possible now to preserve this work and freedom from such people. Spez and Reddit, is finished, if we will it so.

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      I’m just waiting for substitutes of my old groups to start populating instances here. I’ll be deleting my reddit account probably before the end of the month when RIF goes offline.

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        Same, honestly it feels like a fresh start, but without all the bad shit of Reddit (I’m not even counting the recent API scam).

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    This is why they need to link an alternative like Lemmy and encourage to share it around.

    Reddit doesn’t disallow mods from posting “Join us on Discord” and this will create a slow and steady move to a new platform.

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        I know “seize the means…” has been made into a dirty phrase in the US, but yeah… take back our forum, people. this was never going to end well with a centralized, corporate entity like reddit. every mod knew this. time to build anew on our own land.

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    This post seems somewhat disingenuous. One of the mods Cedarwolf posted his side of what happened 2 hours prior to this post appearing, and if we were to believe his side of the story the top mod who hasn’t been active for a year just decided to join the blackout against other mods wishes.

    Yes, it’s two conflicting stories but he claims to have evidence that he’s been inactive. Basically, people should look into this more than assume truth in the headline.

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    They should tread lightly. Reddit in no way has the ability to function (edit: at least on short notice) without volunteer mods. To some degree they can find scabs, but I honestly don’t know how many and how good.

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      It’s destined to become like Twitter, overrun by far-right assholes and lacking quality content. The mods who kept the worst of them off the subs will be gone, and the people who produced the best content will leave as the dregs take over.

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        Scabs, dregs… its like I’m in Warhammer 40k. You guys play Darktide? If not: a question from non-native speaker: are scabs and dregs a, more or less, common expression/term in English? I’m just trying to escape the trap when you notice something, you start seeing it all around.

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          Whenever there’s a strike, scab is a very common word. I don’t see dregs as much, but it’s not super uncommon either. In case you don’t know, a scab in this context is someone who is hired to replace people who are on strike and dregs are the most worthless part of something.

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      Yeah, are they going to try to mod all the subs by themselves now? That’s not going to work out really well. Either there will be no moderation and everything will be trash, or they’ll have to hire people as moderators, which will cut into the profits they’re trying to show. They’re trying to bully people to behave how they want, and I hope it fails badly. But I’m still waiting for people to stop using twitter…

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        or they’ll have to hire people as moderators, which will cut into the profits they’re trying to show.

        How many, on what timeline? They could go to this model eventually if they wanted, but with little to no notice it’s tough. (I also foresee niche subreddits becoming frustrating to use when the generic full-time moderators don’t understand them, and who knows how NSFW subreddits would work)

        I have hope it’s different from Twitter, because there’s a party with leverage that’s fundamentally different from mindless scrollers. Not to mention I’m liking the alternative I’ve tried very much.

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          and who knows how NSFW subreddits would work

          They want them to die, so they’ll do nothing about it. It’s not advertisers friendly.

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        I was reading a thread on here or Tildes yesterday and someone mentioned that what they think is happening is that the end goal is likely to have no actual mods an just have AI blanket moderators for the whole site removing the issue entirely. In all reality they’re probably right, and Reddit has probably been working on AI Mods for sometime now, so they will only have to do this until they can roll out the ai software. Which will probably be sooner rather than later.

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          Why hide it though? It’s a neat idea and if implemented well would be probably pretty efficient. I wouldn’t have any objections to the idea of it.