N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)
N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)
Misandry definitely isn’t a systemic issue but I feel the need to push back to say: men are systemically oppressed. The whole point of the concept of patriarchy is that while the form is different both men and women can be both oppressed and oppressors under it. Part of the entire reason why MRAs are completely full of shit is that basically all of the issues they are concerned with, to the extent that they are real issues, (ie family court) can all be traced back to patriarchy and capitalism.
Any oppressor-oppressed relationship inherently limits the human condition, but the oppressor always has more to lose than to gain. Feminism is good for men as humans as they will be able to wear whatever they want and have whatever sort of relationships they want with whoever. But it also means giving up higher wages, rape, etc. so it’s no wonder a lot (not all) of men don’t see feminism as a net benefit to themselves.
I would argue that it’s quite reductive to suggest that having 'higher wages" is more to lose than being able to have “whatever sort of relationship they want”.
I think it’s accurate to say that men tend to perceive themselves as having more to lose than gain under feminist liberation…but i would argue that perception itself is based on falsehoods steming from patriarchy.
lol who’s getting high wages?
any economic damage to “men” would be far outweighed by the gains we all make under socialism outside of a small handful of people everyone on this website would kill if we could.
Do you really not know about the wage gap? Women make less money than men.
And yes, I explicitly said #notallmen because communist men are smart enough to know socialism would be more economically advantageous anyway, and they’re also much less likely to be rapists.
yeah, and it’s worse if you’re not white.
if we do wage equality and socialism at the same time, “men” will all be better off just on the money number too.
I think it is systemic but not the conscious focus. The artificial elevation of men and maleness under the patriarchy means that those who don’t reach that elevation are seen as lesser beings, and even those are elevated, are often elevated for the wrong reasons, such as drafting men to war because we are “superior fighters.”
Misandry is a feature of patriarchy, but MRA types don’t want to talk about that. Whenever the topic of drafts come up, their first instinct is to complain how women get special treatment and aren’t required to fight, not that fighting for capitalist wars is bad. And even as they complain about women not having to fight, they uphold the same misandrist views by opposing integrating women into the military because they’re “weak,” therefore more men must be fed to the meat grinder to uphold this glorious system.