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Abolish Amerikkka@lemmygrad.ml to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 1 year ago

"Israel is not colonialism because the Ottoman empire kicked out the Jews"

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"Israel is not colonialism because the Ottoman empire kicked out the Jews"

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Abolish Amerikkka@lemmygrad.ml to chapotraphouse@hexbear.netEnglish · 1 year ago
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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4453149

“Israel is not colonialism because the Ottoman empire kicked out the Jews”

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  • AutomatedPossum [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    That reasoning is one tiny step removed from “there are no Native Americans, they moved there during the ice age” (actual line from an English teacher of mine btw) or “you can’t do colonialism in Africa, all of humanity comes from there”.

    Let’s not even begin on intra-Jewish racism against Mizrahi Jews in Israel.

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      I love how anthropology is finally catching up to what indigenous Americans have been saying for generations, they have been here for centuries before the ice bridge, with evidence suggesting it’s been at least 20,000 years, likely closer to 30,000+.

      • Abolish Amerikkka@lemmygrad.mlOP
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        Can you please share the link of this?

        • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
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          You can look up something like “pre-Clovis Indigenous Americans” to find better articles, but this is just from DuckDuckGo on the subject.

          https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/the-1st-americans-were-not-who-we-thought-they-were

          Image from the article:

          I first read about it in Graeber and Wengrow’s The Dawn of Everything, but I’ve seen multiple new articles pop up since its publication.

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        How would indigenous Americans know the movements of their ancestors from tens of thousands of years earlier? Also the ice bridge existed from at least 40,000 years ago as far as I can find.

        • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
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          Complex mnemonic devices and generational knowledge transfers.

          For example “Another such oral history surrounds the Klamath people of Oregon, in the western U.S., who tell of a time when there was no Crater Lake, only a giant volcano towering over the landscape where the lake is today. As the story goes, the fractious volcano god, besotted with a local beauty, threatened the Klamath with fury and fire unless the woman acquiesced. But her people called upon their protector—a rival deity—who fought the volcano god, eventually causing his mountain home to collapse in on him and fill with water. For the next approximately 7,600 years, the Klamath taught each new generation the importance of avoiding Crater Lake lest they disturb the evil god within. With remarkable precision, geologists have determined that this is the time of the terminal eruption of the former volcano, Mount Mazama, and the creation of the landscape that exists today. The Klamath were there all along, and their memories of that ancient cataclysmic event have passed into global knowledge today.”

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    but where [sic] expelled during Ottoman times

    Just pulling stuff out of their ass entirely. I mean not only is this person wrong, but actually the opposite is true, many Jews left Europe for the much more tolerant and accepting Otttoman Empire.

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    Where do these people think Palestinians came from? Mars?

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      They are taught they are Arabians for Arabia. They think when Islam spread through the region they just killed everyone, even the women. They seem to conceive of all geopolitics and history in tribal terms.

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    Lord Balfour Explicitly gave his reasoning for supporting establishing a Jewish homeland in Palestine to prevent Jewish refugees from Czarist Russia from moving to Britain.

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    Time to recreate the Roman Empire I guess since modern Italians were expelled from their ancestral homeland millennia ago by ravening Brits (among others)

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    Except most of them are eastern European.

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      No, you see, when they adopted Judaism it changed who their ancestors were and where they were born. It’s the only religion on earth that transmutes genealogy, and you have to respect that.

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    Did they tho?

    And even if

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      They didn’t. When the iberian monarchs expelled the jews they mostly fled to Morocco, Netherlands, the Ottoman Empire and the colonies.

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    Where does he think the Jews Spain kicked out went?

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