cross-posted from: https://lemmy.basedcount.com/post/113726
I couldn’t find any tools to check this, so I built one myself.
This is a little site I built: the Defederation Investigator defed.xyz. With it, you can get a comprehensive view of which instances have blocked yours, as well as which ones you are federated with.
The tool is open source and available on GitHub. Hopefully someone will find it useful, enjoy.
You should probably cache results so users aren’tspamming other instances
Did this stop working?
Never seen exploding-heads before, so I went to their page … turns out they’re leaving lemmy and the fediverse for nostr: https://exploding-heads.com/post/765290
Main reason being all the “censorship” (ie defederation) they’ve received.
Cool, it seems defederation works as intended!
Didn’t wanna be friends with those le redditors anyways
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Yeah, not really surprising. Radical left is usually shunned much more readily than the far right.
Really says a lot about the liberals around us.
I wonder what happens when you scratch them
I couldn’t find any tools to check this, so I built one myself.
Literally the first link on join-lemmy.org has a table showing all instances and it shows both how many instances that instance is blocking "and* how many other instances are blocking that instance
Man… beehaw fucking sucks
Why?
Its an echochamber that defederated whit most instances, and they very good at gatekeeping since if you try to sign up in there they ask you for an esay to sign up like if they where hot shit and theres a 30% chance they acctually let you in, and the moderation in there is pretty ban heavy and the admins are pretty much reddit mods that love to keep their echochambers closed. So thats why.
I think it has mostly friendly and mature discussion there. I’d have my account there if they federated more, but that’s my choice as it is theirs.
Yes they want to be a safe space for their users, if some people want to talk on the internet without being harassed I’m happy for them
ok, it seems to be working 😆
even lemmynsfw defederated them, lol 🤣 why?
I normally hate the whole de-federation thing, but the radlib chapocels there are annoying af.
Radlib isn’t one I’ve heard yet! Would you mind saying a little more about why you think hexbears are radlibs?
Someone who claims to be a socialist, but who has a pathological obsession with identity politics and dividing the working class, and gives little regard to class consciousness or worker solidarity. Usually has an extreme hatred of patriotism despite patriotic socialism being the official ideology of the Soviet Union. Often defends lumpen behaviour to a bizarre extent.
Did I miss anything?
Wait, you think hexbear “gives little regard to class consciousness or worker solidarity”? You think we’re only claiming to be socialist? You think we have a “pathological obsession with identity politics”? I would disagree about all of the above, honestly. I will grant you that I’m not a big fan of patriotism, because I live in the imperial core, and there is nothing good about america. Also, could you give me an example of what “lumpen behavior” you think we’re defending?I just realized, I have no desire to get in Yet Another Internet Argument. Please do not answer the above questions unless you really, really want to for some reason. Thanks for explaining your thinking, I very much disagree with you, but that’s ok! This is a 2 day old thread at this point and I’m trying to be less of an argumentative butthole online, so I’ll just say, I hope you have a great day!
Guess I overdid the hyperbole, it probably came across stronger than intended, sorry.
of course no response /:
Fucking same boring interactions over and over, and never any follow through!
You gave me like five hours to reply lmao.
I’m not used to people who take 2 days to respond to forum posts they involve themselves in
I’ll wait patiently this time, sorry :)
radlib
wen u no wat werds meen
Fuck off pronoun boy.
they are are extremely obnoxious mix of tankies and some other leftists who might have been slightly less obnoxious if they were on their own, but being in the group with said tankies, you don’t want them any more than the former
i apologize for grammar structure of my sentence and hope it makes some sense
if you have few days of time to kill you can check this thread where lemm.ee admin is asking lemm.ee users about their opinion on defederating them. they brigade the thread in such a way they make more than 77% of the 2k comments in the thread (not exaggerating - the thread has 1920 comments when viewed from lemm.ee and 425 when viewed from lemmy.world which blocks them) and explain their philosophy in the process. so you will understand stuff like “who absolutely needs to be murdered for the crime of having more money than you in order to make world more just place & other tankies’ wisdom”.
you have to acknowledge that they did really good job of introducing themselves, though - i had no idea they even existed the day before that thread and i am firm proponent of “defederate. now.” today 😆
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It certainly wouldn’t be brigading if the ratio of hexbear comments was proportional to its size. But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there, for example, and they saw the thread in their feeds just as much as you did.
That’s how federation works, is it not?
Federation works by connecting various instances with different goals and different userbases. Those instances need a space to discuss those goals among themselves, where the admins can communicate with the users, etc. Some external engagement is to be expected, but one specific instance creating 3x more comments than all the others taken together (including the instance whose policy is supposed to be discussed) should, uh, raise an eyebrow.
Don’t hate us because we post like gods gift to the internet.
You just cant match the raw power of our posting skills and that makes you feel weak and pathetic. As it should.
But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there, for example
Why would there be a large proportion of lemmy.world comments when the thread is literally about hexbear? You don’t expect hexbear users to have stronger opinions on that than lemmy.world users?
Imagine you’ve got 100,000 people in a room. Let’s say they’re split between people wearing blue shirts, green shirts, and red shirts. But it’s not an even split. Half of the people in the room are wearing red shirts. Someone in a blue shirt steps up onto the stage and says, “Open discussion everyone: I think red shirts are assholes and we should kick them all out of the room.”
What exactly do you expect to happen next?
Those instances need a space to discuss those goals among themselves, where the admins can communicate with the users, etc.
That’s not what the thread in question was. We were invited to join the discussion. If we had not been welcome to join the discussion, we would have stayed out of it.
Regarding the analogy:
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it’s not one but multiple connected rooms
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the room with people in red shirts has suddenly decided to connect with the rooms with the less numerous blue and green shirts
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it’s not “someone” in a blue shirt, it’s a significant number of people in blue shirts who think the red ones should simply return to their own room that they were perfectly happy with until now
We were invited to join the discussion
Where exactly do you see the invitation? I see “I am very interested to hear thoughts and responses from our own users.”
the room with people in red shirts has suddenly decided to connect with the rooms with the less numerous blue and green shirts
think the red ones should simply return to their own room that they were perfectly happy with until nowgo back to reddit. this is the fediverse, the entire point is that these are not, in fact, “separate” rooms. being connected is the default. that’s why it requires a giant discussion to kick anyone out.
Where exactly do you see the invitation?
It was posted publicly to all federated communities and absolutely no indication was made that the majority of people to whom the post was sent were unwelcome to participate.
On Hexbear, we have a rule that we have to leave meta discussions of other instances alone if they want us to. All the admin had to say was, “lem.ee users only” and we would’ve stayed out. If you refuse to take such a simple measure to restrict discussion to your own community, you do not actually want to restrict discussion to your own community.
And the admin didn’t. You can go ask him. He was not trying to keep hexbear users out or in any way offended by the fact that we participated in the discussion. Why are you (a member of neither instance) offended on his behalf?
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Since I was using this to write a little defederation thing on which instances find hexbear so repulsive they had to defederate I noticed the number from exploding-heads go up quite a bit from the 75 to 170 now. I will make it a point to call out two specific instances for being hilariously disgusting feddit.de aka the german federation, and feddit.dk both defederated hexbear but didn’t defed the outright nazi instance exploding-heads earlier today, class act from the german and danish mod team.
Also apparently they were aware of it two months ago but didn’t chose to act until today which yeah class act from the german admins. https://feddit.de/post/1151473?scrollToComments=true
There’s a cheap dark joke in there somewhere about Germans and Nazis
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Isn’t Germany’s antifa infested with antideutsch crazies?
Exploding heads looks fucking dead lol why bother?
