It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.
Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.
Curious to see at which number we’ll stabilize.
Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)
Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
lemmy.world being down half the time probably made a lot of people think that this platform is trash and left.
The number of times Lemmy.world was down made it unusable for me to use. Switched to Lemdro.id and it’s so much better now.
I am on Lemm.ee and haven’t had a single issue
Tbh it did affect me, I had just joined and it was out often, & it seemed like a hassle (being new) to find and join new instances or w/e especially when I had to create a new account for every one. Didn’t necessarily think it was trash just buggy and unreliable especially for that to be happening during such a big migration (after Reddit changed the api’s)
Idk it’s nice here but that did reduce my usage. Something that I’m new on being down for a day or two means I’m less likely to use it the next day and incorporate it into my daily routine
You probably figured it out by now, but you don’t need to create a new account for every instance. You can just go to www.yourinstance.com/c/community@otherinstance.com and comment or subscribe there.
I think a good third of what I have typed or posted so far on Lemmy has never succeeded as submitting them would cause it to stop responding and never compete. Refreshing will bring the page back up and allow me comment, but it’ll not work most the time.
Their downtime has been pretty severe… growing pains, I get it, but it’s not just that.
After several attempts at retyping it all, then trying to copy and paste to try to post again just got to me a bit. It’s taking a lot out of me as I’m personally struggling in life to try to communicate with people, with it being flakey all the time, it’s feels like when you have to repeat yourself, then just give up.
It’s a shame because I wanted to post in me communities, but I couldn’t. I keep seeing “View reply” on my comments, but they frequently never load or just vanish. I do wonder if they’re broken/incomplete replies.
you should have left lemmy.world a month ago. those issues dont happen elsewhere
You are definitely right that it’s not that common an occurrence on the other instances. But yes, I should have clarified these issues are with lemmy.world.
You should probably move instance.
https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim can be useful
I’m getting pretty tired of the obvious “Big tech company bad, Twitter dead, Linux good” bias that Lemmy seems to have. It’s definitely decreased my usage over the last week or two. I guess it kind of comes with the territory given Lemmy is a more complicated platform that will naturally attract more tech-oriented users, but it’s still getting super old seeing the same flavor posts every single day.
The biggest issue for me is the stale posts keep showing on my feed. Either the posts are too old, or it’s too new with low engagement. I think the sweet spot for me is when a post is in its 1/3 of its lifecycle. Already got a discussion going but not too far that I can’t engage meaningfully.
I find sorting by ‘Top’ either 6 hours or 12 hours helps me see new posts I’ve not seen that have decent engagement
What’s annoying as well is that if you browse Everything, there’s bots reposting stuff from reddit at the same time, so posts from certain communities are all clumped together.
This is exactly my issue with Lemmy in all honesty.
“Big tech company bad, Twitter dead, Linux good”
Add Firefox in there and yes I’ve seen this everywhere. So many posts about browser news or the web that just devolves into a circlejerk about how great Firefox is.
Post more my dude. Start the conversations you want to see.
I browse social media to find new ideas that I can’t think of.
Yeah but it’s like screaming into the void sometimes. You just hope more people somehow discover the community. A lot of my interesting communities are pretty much dead now, so I just subbed to a bunch of porn and get on here once a day to look at boobs.
I agree. The FOSS movement is its own subculture that can be pretty preachy and annoying for outside people.
Opinions definitely feel stronger on lemmy, with a sense of judgement roaming around. But, for what it is worth, I found it lead to some actual discussions that I rarely find on other sites.
Also let’s not forget the Hexbear “Russia is good actually” posts.
Don’t forget the hardcore left wing echo chamber… Oh wait that was Reddit as well.
I dropped off because I am unbelievably sick of seeing the same thing posted across 20 different communities. No matter which sort I am using, my front page is CLUTTERED with the same crap.
Trump, Trump, Elon, shitty meme, trump, Elon, Elon, capitalism bad, shitty meme.
Repeat
You forgot “Fuck Cars”. Just buy a bike you prick. It’s only a 15 mile trek down a gravel road with no sidewalk.
“I can’t believe how selfish you are.”
“Just move”
“Everyone should live in this very tiny city that has good public transportation”
“Just don’t have kids so you won’t need to transport them” (Even if you already have them. Just go back in time and don’t because cars are bad. O K.)
There should be an option for communities to form unions between them of some sort, or at least a client-side option to combine communities into a single big one
more discussion about this https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818
Never really had that issue. Are you referring to you sub feed or all? If the issue is all maybe start blocking the duplicates that you deem unworthy of your time.
The lack or rudimentary algorithms lemmy has compared to corporate social media is both good and bad. Less dopamine/doom scrolling but you also have to curate the feed a bit to make it work for you.
That makes sense, thank you for your feedback
I hope this means all the reddit liberals are leaving
Switching between “Active” and “Top [1h/6h/12h]” at different times of the day has provided me with enough content & interactions to make Lemmy my new home. I always was a lurker on the old site, no comment nor post, not even an account. Now, I’m slowly trying to break from this habit. Being on Lemmy feels like I’m not shouting in the void; when a platform gets too big, you get lost in the crowd. It’s always nice to see recurring usernames on different communities.
There are many fatal problems on Lemmy, worst of all is you can’t click this link /c/books and see every /c/book on every Lemmy instance of the fediverse. This is out of convenience to moderators and it is killing Lemmy. One people figure out communities only exist on a single instance, the promise of federation is broken and they fuck off.
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See https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3033 It’s won’tfix/notabug
but there is this https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818
“multireddit” are nice to have but they do not address this problem Which a common view for all user of an entire community across the fediverse. “Multireddit” require client to pick and choose individual communities. This means less than 1% of users will every use it. This means there will never exist a fediverse wide community around topics.
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Propagation and agglomeration is a problem for clients not servers. Server only need to propagate a “we have new stuff” message and it’s up to the clients to pull it and cache it. In any case, users should be able to click /c/books and see the content of all /book/ on all instances in a single location. Unless most users can do this with one click, there will not exist a fediverse wide community.
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Why do you think communities with the same name will have the same content?
It doesn’t need to have the same content. Same subject. Names are descriptive
They don’t but they get aglomerated together anyway for having the same name . The community is the whole, which specific instance is hosting a particular /c/book post doesn’t matter. That it is on /c/book is what matters, not that it is on Lemmy.world
But just because !books@lemmy.world hypothetically exists doesn’t mean !books@programming.dev or !books@ttrpg.network have similar enough content. You can already view these communities from any instance. You’re essentially trying to apply something like federation on top of something already being federated. They can all have very different rules and different content.
If people have to hunt each post storage location individually, then it will be as if they don’t exist to 99.99% users. What will happen is there will be one big one, and they most likely be all on the big instance, and federation becomes just a weird thing that does nothing because functionally that will be just like Reddit. Centralized servers, centralized servers under the control of a tiny priesthood.
Not at all. Reddit has communities that are similar but with different names, rules, and culture and different people use them because they want different experiences. The same is true here.
The crucial difference is that those are differentiated by having a unique name, note a unique hostname. Which hard drive a community is stored should not be considered an important aspect of that community. It only specifies who is allowed to delete and edit content posted to that harddrive
That’s like saying everyone that lives on 123 Main St is the same regardless of the city or everyone with the email “Bob” is the same regardless of what their email provider is.
I would love to see something like this where it shows you content from communities with the same name across whatever your server is federated with.
Like an all feed but in a community would be lit but idk how that would ever be added. Too much work
There is no way for a user to block whole instances, there is no way to know if you’ve been banned from a community or instance, it’s extremely easy for people to evade bans and blocks, you can’t make private communities, armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they’re exploiting Lemmy’s flaws to do it, the list goes on and on.
Lemmy blows, but give the rubes time. They’ll figure it out.
armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they’re exploiting Lemmy’s flaws to do it
It crazy how these people can get their bs to show up in my main feed, and then if I comment on it they call me a troll
There’s instance-wide blocking on the Connect for Lemmy app, including the option to block everything or only block the communities of that instance and not users. You can make a private community by not federating with anyone on a private instance.
Those are just cop-outs. They need to be hard-coded features on the original Lemmy app. If we have to rely on third-party apps for it, we can and should just use another fediverse app entirely.
I hope someone forks Lemmy at some point.
does this also block comments, or only posts? Sync has a similar feature, but only for posts, once inside a post you’re still subjected to their comments. Which for troll communities is honestly the worst part
IMO ideally there’d be two separate options. I want to block stuff like foreign language instances or some niche instances so that I don’t see communities hosted on them, but I don’t want to block the users from those instances when they post in other communities.
Connect for Lemmy has an option for blocking both. The comment still shows, but as “blocked by filter”, which hides the content until clicked on, and can be re-hid.
That’s a trivial problem to fix client side. Same as any regular spam filter. If Lemmy gives that power server side to be moderators instead of clients, then Lemmy will become a North Korea style dictatorship like Reddit.
Good point indeed
Having multi-communities, akin to multireddits, would be handy.
discussion about that here https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818
See https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3033 It’s won’tfix/notabug
These numbers are not descriptive. Check out the daily stats.
- Active users per day has already stabilised.
- Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.
- Shitposts per day are growing exponentially.
- People are still leaving from the Reddit influx. Lemmy just wasn’t for them.
Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120
Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.
If people were coming in, shouldn’t the monthly active users increase as well?
If the MAU is decreasing, it means that we are losing more people than people joining. On your graph, the MAU trend is clearly decreasing.
Maybe I’m missing something?
People are going out faster than they’re coming in.
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The cope is strong. Let’s not pretend fewer active users is a good thing. It just means people are unhappy and are leaving.
Yup if I hadn’t blocked several communities from appearing constantly in my feed, I would leave too.
As I said in a comment below, I would like this to be a signal for interest groups to choose one of the dozens communities they have, stick to one and make it grow.
Looking at gaming or books, always seems detrimental to have the . world, .ml, .sh.itjust.works and so on with the same content posted everywhere.
But just remember: Some of those people that are not staying are the types of people you wouldn’t want to interact with anyway. If the roughly 10k people who quit were Nazis (for example), it’s a good thing.
But they obviously aren’t all Nazis
Hmm… I think we need to conduct some exit interviews to gather data before we start making any assumptions.
“Hello, you have selected ‘Delete Account’ is this because you are a Nazi?”
Y/N (circle one)
“You have selected ‘no’ and yet you still wish to delete your account? Why are you lying about not being a Nazi then?”
About as useful as the ‘have you ever or are you planning to participate in a genocide’ tickbox on immigration forms.
Although there’s a troubling part of me that worries that Nazism has been normalised enough that people would willingly say yes.
Exploding heads is literally shutting down. So he may have a point.
Yeah, I tend to think that most of the people who left wouldn’t be valuable members of the community anyway. Maybe they’re too impatient to deal with software that isn’t fully mature, maybe they can’t deal with the fact that most Lemmy instances are somewhere between leftish and outright communism, or maybe the somewhat chaotic nature of the fediverse turns them off. Whatever. I hope they find something that suits them.
I also hope, for their own sake, that the “something” doesn’t involve going back to reddit.
And at the beginning everyone was worried about “Eternal September”. It’s only been two months.
People will come in waves, instances and communities will grow and die, just like how it was on reddit, we’ll probably start seeing meme/politics free or even more specialized instances soon. But all of this is going to take time.
The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.
So, being on Lemmy is a long term investment for me.
Same for me, good to still see you around
Hopefully this works out, gotta get that first mover advantage in, then Lemmy’s only real celebrity will be recognized as the marketing genius that she is. :)
I like Lemmy better when it’s when it’s nicer and quieter a month ago honestly.
Are you the actual Margot Robbie? Seen your profile before, but just assumed it was someone who liked them and was capitalizing on the movie.
Well, the movie promotion ended early due to the strike, so I’m just shitposting and having fun here now.
It’s good to keep plausibile deniability. I don’t want to get bad PR in case things don’t work out.
No one will ever believe you anyways.
No one will ever believe you anyways.
oh I see we’re ripping off Bill Murray now.
If Margot Robbie were to be here, we would have 50x more people around
And have the paparazzi scrutinize me over every single dumb comment I ever post here? No thanks.
If I wanted that, I would have just got a Twitter with a blue checkmark, and I really don’t like Twitter.
No, they’re the mod of an android comm on here so obviously not her. I think the roleplayers from back in the LiveJournal days are showing up here cause you can still grab newish usernames to impersonate someone.
Ha ha :)
Same feeling here, browsing All now is cumbersome due to the low quality of the average content dropping
Yeah, so that’s why I’m expecting way more alt hopping and defederations and people splitting into smaller groups soon until everything finally settles.
One of advantage of the fediverse honestly that it prevents powertripping mods, since it’s so easy to move to another community on the same topic on a different instance with different admins and mods, and while a person can be banned off a particular comm or instance, they can’t be banned from Lemmy as a whole, so reputation matters a lot more right now when everybody kinda knows each other here.
The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.
I don’t know if this is going to happen, and to be honest I hope it doesn’t. Lemmy is not designed to be a forum and shouldn’t try to be used as a replacement for one.
How is Lemmy not a forum?
Lemmy is a link aggregator. Yes it can serve a lot of (if not all) the functions of a forum but it’s not designed to be a drop-in replacement for something like Discuss or phpBB. It’s different enough that I feel like calling it a forum is not the right term.
What exactly does it do worse than one of those?
Id say finding the latest comment is harder here. Sure, its not that hard when looking post replies. But comment replies? They can be nested, pretty much buried behind the “See more replies” button.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2043
here’s an issue tracker for that, I don’t think it’s really something that fundamentally makes it worse than a forum, honestly.
Oh i wouldnt say its worse at all. I prefer nested replies all the way. Regardless, i still wouldnt say lemmy fits the forum format, again due to the way you access the most recent replies.
In a forum thread, you go to the last page and youve found the latest comment. In a Lemmy post, even if the nested comments arent hidden, its not obvious at first glance which one is the latest comment.
Also, if you “bookmark” a forum thread, youll get notified of any new replies in said thread. On Lemmy, you can check the latest comments from an entire instance or community. But not for a specific post.
Again, id never phrase lemmys format as worse, for i greatly prefer it. But i wouldnt consider it a forum. It simply displays the information diferently
Yeah, lemmy seems like a great alternative to discourse.
There is no infinite doomscroll on Lemmy and that’s what I used to do on Reddit. Now, I just read the top headlines and touch grass :)
The reason I’m still here instead of there is that I absolutely can’t use their official app. I just can’t. It’s so awful. Lemmy isn’t perfect but at least it isn’t that. So I do spend less time doom scrolling and that’s probably good for me.
@lagomorphlecture @Oppawaifu what is the best lemmy client you think? or overall [[fediverse]] client?
Client as in app? I go back and forth between Connect and Voyager. They both have some benefits and drawbacks but overall I really just want something super simple and plain. I used RIF for so long and it was just to the point and functional. I never had a single issue with it. The lemmy apps will improve though. They’ve been developed fastly and furiously (haha) but it usually takes a little more time to put something together that’s really good.
Interesting to see you don’t like Sync (I don’t either, but people seem to like it overall)
I used Reddit Sync for about a decade before switching to Infinity for Reddit, tried giving Sync another go after the Lemmy version released and it just felt wrong whereas the Lemmy fork of Infinity is a joy to use (and is FOSS)!
I prefer Infinity too, but was a huge Infinity fan so I guess it makes sense
I actually haven’t tried it but now I’m going to so I know if I dislike it or not. I can’t be in the dark on this!
Enjoy ha ha
First impression is that the UI isore customizable and I can get closer to RIF which looks way better to me. I haven’t even logged in yet though but at first glance I don’t hate it. I guess I need to check liftoff too though.
Yep a month ago the only Lemmy app was Jerboa. Now there are so many and they keep improving. My favorite right now is Liftoff.
Same here, I actually have a much healthier relationship with social media when on Lemmy vs Reddit. That might change as Lemmy grows in user content but for now I’ll enjoy the quieter experience
I agree, I finish up my daily feed (at the moment I am subscribed to 628 communities).
That will change soon enough.
Precisely. And maybe bring the grass to Lemmy a little bit
E: see my posts
It always dies down after the initial hype. It seems pretty stable now. Compare it to pre-exodus and it is still like hundreds of times more popular then before.
Been a little hard to get used to, but I’ve mostly transitioned over from reddit, like I went to it from Digg.
Been using the Connect apk for my phone and everything seems pretty nice with it.
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It’s a basic catch-22 - you need new users to attract new users.
This is the best thing about federation.
If the Fediverse became really popular and I created a new alternative to Lemmy/Kbin that was significantly better than both, it would be way easier to gain the momentum required to become a real player in the field compared to trying to compete with Reddit when most people aren’t in the Fediverse yet.
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The only one that has died since the end of Digg was Vine, and that was partially just because its owners didn’t really care about its fate anymore.
Vine was killed by facebook & its regulatory capture. Otherwise it would’ve killed facebook and we never would’ve gotten tik tok (for better or worse).
FB, the gram and now twitter are dying. Just because they still exist doesn’t mean they’re not on their way out. Anyone with accounts on the first two can tell you that the number of active users on their feeds has been the same people for 5-10 years and are dwindling (and the feed of the third is lmao since boosting paid user content). Their traffic numbers might look fine but that’s because they lie about those numbers and they make it impossible to delete accounts.
Most importantly, it’s been 15 years since any of these companies couldn’t get free financing. Often a focus on profitability results in misplaced user-hostility over short-sighted moves, which is what killed a lot of companies in 99 and again in 2007. We just haven’t had a financial climate that requires it since. Hilariously this climate would make it a perfect time to take twitter private to push it past the other two and tik tok but it got bought by the worst failson the world has ever seen.
Don’t mistake still existing for not being dead. Digg.com still employs dozens of people, that doesn’t mean its been a useful link aggregator for the last 12 years.
“This is good for Bitcoin” vibes there.
Key difference is that Bitcoin people want/need their numbers to go up,up,up as a measure of success.
Here, we are hoping to cultivate a healthy community (at either/both the instance and fediverse level). From my experience on various subreddits, focusing on growth is not a good way to do this.
Communities are defined more by who is not allowed in than by who is in the community. Lemmy phase 2 kicked off back in June, and it still needs some time to find its footing at a sustainable rate of growth.
I said it somewhere yesterday, but community building is more about moderation and organic growth than it is getting everyone on board all at once. The threadiverse is fantastic but its also running on a pair of software with substantial bugs and basic features missing
Key difference is that Bitcoin people want/need their numbers to go up,up,up as a measure of success.
Nah, you’re making the mistake of only paying attention to bitcoin short term when the price goes up, so you only perceive people who get in short term while the number goes up.
If I’m making a mistake, I don’t think that would be it. I’ve been observing Bitcoin and its community since 2011.
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These kinds of comments are why my usage has gone down. There is an inclusive we are different vibe and this mentality that people just shouldn’t have an opinion if it doesn’t fit the Lemmy opinion. It’s just weird.
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When you’re talking about an Internet forum, yes, more people makes things better.
The magic of reddit is being able to find a community for the most obscure niche interest ever. You can’t do that with just a few thousand tech-savvy nerds like us here.
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More people does not make a community better. Better people make a community better.
Every community is going to attract good and bad people. With more people there’s going to be more good people AND more bad people.
Exactly. It’s enough active users to have a stream of good content compared to what it was a few month ago. I’m enjoying my time here right now.
Bizarrely it feels way more active, the people leaving were never going to contribute anyway and that’s fine. It seems to be stabilizing at a good amount of content per day.
From the statistics that seems to make sense, only total/active users is seeing a drop everything else was still rising at the “normal” rate
Some of this may also have to do with the user creation exploit that popped up a while back.
