Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
    32·
    3 months ago

    Sure. Sure, I’m orthodox, and yet out of two of us I seem to be the only one willing to be convinced I might be wrong or missing information.

    I’m willling to be convinced with compelling enough evidence.

    Like talking to a wall.

    Bankrupt country. Forced to repay old loans to be able to make new ones. The poverty rates skyrocketed for 5 years. Then it became lower than during most of USSR occupation.

    Go fucking grab a Polish source from the USSR occupied Poland.

    Poverty rates lowered as Poland integrated into the imperialists, and was heavily flooded with EU support to serve as a “shining example” of capitalism fixing socialism. Further, I did, Dorothy Douglas lived in Poland for a time during socialism.

    Dude. That was outside USSR. We were inside. The sources from that era I cited were from inside the USSR.

    You’re repeating the same dogma, though. Strikes are evidence of supporting overthrowing socialism, whereas if they hadn’t striked then you would say that was due to oppression. You proceed from “soviets bad” and twist everything to fit your narrative. I’ve spoken to Polish communists like @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml and have read enough on the subject to know that you aren’t painting a complete picture.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
      52·
      3 months ago

      Why would you even call me into the thread full of reactionaries and especially the one debate pervert who is know for bad faith anticommunism ever since their nasty ass drifted here from reddit. 😩

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        53·
        3 months ago

        That’s fairly creepy of you, is entirely conjecture, and they aren’t the only Polish communists I know. That’s a complete non-sequitor.

        • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
          51·
          3 months ago

          And claiming you know Polish communists, and thus your arguments are valid is argumentum ad verecundiam (I also know latin :P)

          And you sound like the USians who say “I have black friends”.

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
        32·
        3 months ago

        Brachu, brzmisz zupełnie jak pisowskie trolle na onecie, do tego twoje debatowe zboczenie osiągnęło ekstremalne wyżyny. Tym samym tokiem rozumowania ja bym mógł udowodnić że ty jesteś Polakiem, bo wszsytkie twoje siermiężne ipn-owskie wypociny brzmią zupełnie jak z najgorszych otchłani kucowskiego polskiego internetu. Poza tym po jakiemu ty kurwa chcesz żebym pisał w angielskim internecie? Na koncie które jest specjalnie utworzone do tego? Puknij się w czerep i to bardzo mocno jakimś tępym narzędziem, ulepszysz odrobinę świat.

        Chociaż muszę przyznać że mnie odrobinę rozmieszyłeś opinią że żaden Polak nie zna ani trochę języka niemieckiego ani nie umie używać translatora.

        • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
          21·
          3 months ago

          Przynajmniej nie pierdolę jakto fajnie było być pod zaborem ZSSR i umiem czytać statystyki biedy w Polsce z lat 70 i 80?

          Jak tu trafiłeś? Wezwany na pomoc przez kolegę?

    • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
      32·
      3 months ago

      Further, I did, Dorothy Douglas lived in Poland for a time during socialism.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_W._Douglas

      This Dorothy Douglas? On whom there’s no information anywhere that she ever left the USA, yet lived in Poland?

      If the other people you talked to share your sources then you might’ve been catfished or in an echo chamber?

        • ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
          41·
          3 months ago

          Interesting. I will try to look for anything corroborating that, because she was famously suspected to be a “Red” in the USA and she would’ve had her passport revoked.

          And the only Western economist that officially was invited to Poland in 1948 was Oskar Lange.

          Pugwash conferences started in 57.

          To have access to any economic data she would have to be approved by the USSR in 1948 and then likely she would have to be on the exit visa list, on which she is not - in 1949 there are 3 Americans of which she is neither.

          So if she were in Poland in 1948 or 1949 , with access to economic data, and left the USSR in 1949 she was better than Mata Hari. Good for her.