Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off. And just isn’t true, the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but with controls on the system and governed by mostly reason, we did make the most prosperous working class the world has every seen by a large margin. Now gone, chiseled away by the CPI having been understated for half a century averaging 2-3 percent a year just by 2008 under the new measures, while it was 5-8 percent under the old.
That was not a good faith change, it was done to steal from working people at every level and stage, and give to investors, and no one questions it even still, as the ivy league suits tell us our buying power has never been higher, when that clearly isn’t true.
the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but
You mean the people who kept threatening people with nukes? The people who proliferated atomic weapons giga? The ones who did 56 military interventions (old figure btw, doesn’t include Venezuela, for example) in South America post WW2? The one that proliferated military bases all across the world? The Bay of Pigs people? The ones that invaded Vietnam because they were bored? The people who made North Korea the most bombed place ever? Coup in Guatemala so that bananas were cheap? The people who would rather destroy civilization than coexist with the USSR? You’re saying that system worked relatively well? I’m saying that they were barbaric up to and through current events.
I could have a prosperous working class too if I decided that my money was the world reserve currency because everyone else died in WW2 and proceed to loot other countries. But the prosperity that was enjoyed by others would, and was, only because there was a big strong union fighting and bleeding for the advocacy of the working class.
Could have sworn that figure was NK, but I didn’t look it up before posting. I had to include Vietnam because of the barbarism which is geographically and chronologically close to the same conflict to my understanding. It only serves to highlight the horrible horrible way the US acted.
And absolutely, I am absolutely not thrilled about the apartheid state. Please excuse my focus on the conduct of the US towards the outside world. Shout out to the Tuskegee experiment.
To be clear, I was just pointing out yet another way what the other poster said was fucked up, not trying to tut-tut you. I’m sure everyone here knows that stuff.
And the DPRK might have been the most bombs overall, Laos is just the most relative to square mileage of land.
It can’t be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won’t happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off.
“Nothing can ever get better so it’s best to not even try”
I’ve been thinking since a while ago that we should make well sourced posts exposing the messed up stuff the US and Europe have done in bite-size formats, with further readings and stuff, and post them in places we know some liberals and peoples disillusioned with politics are likely to see them.
This sort of ridiculously ignorant takes unironically coming from them vindicates the idea I think.
You mean the people who kept threatening people with nukes? The people who proliferated atomic weapons giga? The ones who did 56 military interventions (old figure btw, doesn’t include Venezuela, for example) in South America post WW2? The one that proliferated military bases all across the world? The Bay of Pigs people? The ones that invaded Vietnam because they were bored? The people who made North Korea the most bombed place ever? Coup in Guatemala so that bananas were cheap? The people who would rather destroy civilization than coexist with the USSR? You’re saying that system worked relatively well? I’m saying that they were barbaric up to and through current events.
I could have a prosperous working class too if I decided that my money was the world reserve currency because everyone else died in WW2 and proceed to loot other countries. But the prosperity that was enjoyed by others would, and was, only because there was a big strong union fighting and bleeding for the advocacy of the working class.
huh… I wonder why that is?
I think Laos is the most bombed place ever, at least in terms of density of bombardment, but that was also the US.
Also don’t forget that they are including 20 years of Jim Crow and a bunch of other shit as the system working well.
Could have sworn that figure was NK, but I didn’t look it up before posting. I had to include Vietnam because of the barbarism which is geographically and chronologically close to the same conflict to my understanding. It only serves to highlight the horrible horrible way the US acted.
And absolutely, I am absolutely not thrilled about the apartheid state. Please excuse my focus on the conduct of the US towards the outside world. Shout out to the Tuskegee experiment.
To be clear, I was just pointing out yet another way what the other poster said was fucked up, not trying to tut-tut you. I’m sure everyone here knows that stuff.
And the DPRK might have been the most bombs overall, Laos is just the most relative to square mileage of land.
iirc Laos was the most bombed per capita
“The system worked well after the second world war”
Bold pro-segregation stance
if there was anything positive that came from slavery you can’t say it was only bad!
echo chambers are bad and we need to prevent them on lemmy.world
Weird how both of those are from the same high level person in lemmy world leadership 🤔
“Nothing can ever get better so it’s best to not even try”
I’ve been thinking since a while ago that we should make well sourced posts exposing the messed up stuff the US and Europe have done in bite-size formats, with further readings and stuff, and post them in places we know some liberals and peoples disillusioned with politics are likely to see them.
This sort of ridiculously ignorant takes unironically coming from them vindicates the idea I think.
Doesn’t Dessalines have some sections on that in the Socialism FAQ?
They do, but the libs never read it when linked.
You can try just copy/paste the relevant part, and if you can’t then I think there’s no reason to think what you’re proposing now would work.