- live in an impenetrable fortress from which they launch raids on the innocent, never suffering the consequences of the evil they commit
- ruled by the most cruel and decadent amongst them, but don’t do anything about it because they dream of being on top of the horrific pyramid of torture and pain one day
- innately cruel and horrific society where seeing others suffer is the only source of pleasure
- slavers
- violence is the only language they understand
- sense of racial superiority
- entire sectors of society dedicated to coming up with evil and sadistic weaponry with which to commit war crimes
- hopelessly addicted to drugs of all kinds
- complete lack of compassion
- piracy
- love to torture


I agree about the imperium, I’ve said that chaos’ is arguable but one of the ultimate products of the Ironkyn existence is also mass murder; they are (on the whole labour units also exist)soldiers/killing machines, but that at least the T’au relationship to AI is healthier even when taking into consideration the wider effects that approach has on the culture
How does the relative strength of souls relate to the AI conversation? a soul is a soul weak or not
Ah didn’t know that, if you could post an excerpt that’d be great but I’ do your word for it, but yes parallels do not make me think the same soul transference is true for LoV uploading especially since the protocol isn’t from an STC which is where most of the shared Kin/Imperium tech comes from, and it is likely but not confirmed that the LoV uploading tech came from an STC schematic already included in the cores
For ‘their relationships with MoI were more healthy’ more than who’s specifically did you mean here?
I disagree with the ‘that Ironkyn are Men of Iron’ conclusion you make, the fact that they didn’t fight during the MoI rebellion doesn’t prove they are the same, Ironkyn attacking baseline human during the rebellion might be, and their isolation can explain not being involved on that conflict. I believe the theories that the Votann are the Men of Stone more likely
For ‘just most possibly as much changed from the basic version as Kyn themselves are changed from basic humanity.’ that’s a pedantic argument it can be argued both ways if Abhumans are humans or not, on one hand they are objectively different, or that on the other they same as one because one is the origin of the other
They have as much need as other factions to use it; to create weapons
I didn’t say it was the sole reason rather that it(the ban on AI research) along with other reasons like the other bans such as on warp tech and on innovation in general were the trason and Kel-Helbor and his faction joining Horus
Again I never said its worse, you’re conflating the very isolated point about the healthiness of relationship to AI with the greater cultures and its affect on them. to succinctly restate my point I think that the LoV worship of Ai is less healthy than the T’au’s utilisation of AI