Why are they fighting? *shrug*
I’m guessing whoever made this uses arch btw.
Dnf install
Apt install
Pacman -S (which is short, for sInstall.)I use it everyday and I still hate pacman’s flags with a passion
They S is for Sync. You’re syncing a package from the repos.
But what about
pacman -SsSync search? P.S. I like pacman, just that this combination of flags is a bit weird for me personally.You wouldn’t do that, its improper syntax. You’d do #pacman -Qs, Query local packages -> Search from within this set.
But I do, do that regularly. Why is it improper?
I’m just going Based on the man page I linked. s isn’t listed as a subflag of S so i’ve never thought to use it.I just checked that again and I’m totally wrong. Disregard me I guess.
Everyone knows how to read, not everyone will feel comfortable reading the flags.
I’ve been trying to decipher this for a literal day what does this mean?
❌ apt update && apt upgrade
✅ pacman -Syu
apt --update upgrade
The best syntax is zypper’s zypper in se, etc.
The thing I don’t like about zypper is that it is missing functionality
the equivalent of
apt autoremovehas to be done through YaST
an equivalent forapt purgedoes not existYou can use these abbreviations with DNF too, by the way.
Wow, cool never knew when I used it.
emerge
is the shortest to type.
Gentoo is the fastest package manager for the user. ;D
I’m only 4 months into Linux, and apt is my comfort zone. Checking out other distros that use something else has me running away like:
pacman is very fast and handy. The (in)famous
pacman -Syuhad you system completely up to date in record time.Sometimes I miss its speed and simplicity
And here’s me with my
yayparu entered the chat (doesn’t even need -Syu).
I love paru, but I think my favorite thing about it is that it isn’t yay.
Back when i started using Arch Yay was mega popular so I tried it. Its great, I loved it, shouldn’t be a surprise I love paru too. But Yay was always my only Go app, so I’d end up installing Golag, which is gigantic, just to use yay.
zypper dupI never used opensuse but I know zypper from that one suse parody song.
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You can basically take that statement and replace “apt” with “whatever the first package tool I used” and it would be true for anyone.
Not true! I used yum first and it was awful. Then switched and apt made so much more sense.
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tell me you have never run slackware witout telling me you have never run slackware.
My first package manager was YaST, then RPM, then APT. Apt rules, and while I’ve tried some more, I’m not afraid to say APT became my comfort zone.
I started with Ubuntu in the days of apt-get, and boy am I happy I got to use packman now and never add another custom repository ever again
YSK/PSA: If you’re on Mint, Mint’s
aptis not Debian’saptand while they work similarly for common use cases, they diverge pretty quickly beyond that. Both are installed by default but Mint’s takes precedence.*Case in point: I was looking for which package - specifically one that was not yet installed - contains a certain command line tool and Mint’s
apt searchdoes not find it. Debian’s does. **On the other hand, Mint’s
apthas way more subcommands than the default one, which have been useful on occasion.* Mint’s is at
/usr/local/bin/aptand Debian’s is at/usr/bin/apt; The default user$PATHputs/usr/local/binbefore/usr/bin.** FWIW, the tool is/was
spongeand it’s in themoreutilspackage.Just use aptitude and be happy.
Disclaimer: while aptitude was originally designed to replicate the apt CLI interface, I have never run the search command through it. The TUI is marvelous, though.
Nowadays apt supports deleting dangling config files with
apt purge "~c"so no need to have aptitude for that feature. However,aptitude why <package>is pretty handy, and if you bump into dependency problems aptitude is quite capable of suggesting valid solutions.Disclaimer: I’ve never used aptitude’s TUI.
I need to have aptitude because the TUI is boss. Even if it had less features than apt, I’d still prefer it. It’s nice to know it’s ahead of the curve, though.
However, aptitude why <package> is pretty handy
Dude/dudesse, what the hell is this and why have I never heard of it? Sounds really useful on the manpage, I hope I remember it next time I need it. Thanks! 😊
I wonder why apt search on ubuntu and debian must be so bad: on mint each package has a single line and an easy letter telling you if the program is installed or not. On debian/ubuntu each program takes multiple lines, are all green and the only way to distinguish installed ones is to look for an (installed) string at the end of the first line. I like Mint’s apt version so much
I wonder how this is implemented in LMDE?
LMDE’s system is the same as regular Mint. I’ve been on LMDE for a few years but was on regular before that.
dpkg -l | grep ^ii
(and then cry (this step is non-optional))
don’t let this type of bantering concern you
we are all just splitting hairs and knocking each other’s preferences when it is basically trivial. Like BMW and Mercedes drivers trying to one up who drives the superior German car
That’s easy Mercedes hasn’t made the superior car since the 80’s
I use eMacs by the way.
You seem to have misspelled vim.
But vim only released in 1992
sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y
=
sudo dnf update -y
For most systems. If you can get apt you can get any of them.
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If they are suppressing this, what else aren’t they telling us
Ifthey are suppressing thisYup. Must be. No “-U” found in
man apt.(Is there in
man apt-getthough. And it works on both.).And it does not show up in fish’s option completion options on either, either.
Near 20 years of having been using
apt-get(and later,apt), if I ever knew this, I forgot. Could have been doing just one command all this time.what else aren’t they telling us
vim has a built-in autocomplete you can use by pressing ctrl-n during interactive mode.
I should really get around to RTFM.
For me, pacman is my comfort zone. Fast, reliable and easy to handle. But apt was it for a long time as well.
This gif makes me irrationally angry.
I almost used this godzilla gif to illustrate my point instead. Maybe you’ll enjoy it more.
See, now why did you have to ruin these last few days of peace for me like that?
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Don’t panic, apt+flatpak does everything very well, if all you need is a working computer. If you need a hobby, try nix or guix
Or for the ultimate hobby to dedicate to,
cave.(Prizes for any who even know which package manager and distro that’s from.)
Exactly what I feel when I look or have to interact with anything that doesn’t have pacman 😅
I have to admit that I love the “pacman” pun quite a bit, which is nearly enough by itself to convince me to try it. One day. Maybe.
I can’t lie, that’s one of the reasons I moved over to CachyOS a few months back. It’s not the only reason, but it’s been my favourite distro for sure that I’ve tried. It’s the first one that really felt good to me.
It’s really a great distro, I’ve been using it fulltime on laptop and PC for over a year. Best one I’ve tried so far and for some reason it’s less buggy than EndeavourOS was for me. The only thing I don’t like about it is the name.
Nix
What about LFS with make
when the
sudo nixos-rebuild switch
Zypper
sudo zypper dupAll day every day.
Suse scares me.
Why?
It was what I started on. Before ubuntu existed. Was not scary.
The humans are chocolatey right?
And the worms are
winget.
My poor gam.
ILoveCandy Color ParallelDownloads = 15What is that?
Its an excerpt from pacman’s configuration file, first line makes the progress bar a pacman that eats dots while downloading packages, the second line is self explanatory and the third allows to download multiple packages at the same time so there are 15 pacmans at all times while downloading.
Nice!
Yay
yay breaks too often to be relied on for system updates
Been using it for 2 years now, never once had it break unless I messed up the command and tried to update aur packages along with system packages
pacaur
I am just going to mention yum so that I can get downvoted. (We use it at work.)
yay
If I’m not mistaken, dnf is to yum as yay is to pacman. Edit: don’t shoot me I’m relatively new to arch based distros, AUR is scary.
apt today, apt tomorrow, apt forever
Apt together strong
that’s apt
Apt my beloved Ɛ>
Thanks for the weekly reminder to update.
Yup.
Got me running my pretence and mergence scripts to do all the upgrade things on my gentoo stratum.
After using dnf a bit:
- All the default answers are backwards to me, so
dnfquite literally ignores my input. dnf searchdid not show, by default, if a matching package is already installed.- Perfect perhaps for newbies, since dnf asks you trice.
yeah… arch is not leaving me anytime soon. The option to
makepkgfrom source a few custom packages is very neat.Yeah, that’s cool. Though I still prefer gentoo’s USE flags (and savedconfig and patches if you like too). Even has official binhost now too.
- All the default answers are backwards to me, so
The real OG is emerge.
The best software manager ever.
The real OG is
emergeportage.IFTFY.
(And I agree. USE flags ftw.)
Dang, you are so correct.
I forgot that unlike most package managers, Portage doesn’t use its name for the command.
But then again people never say ‘I use Aptitude’, just apt.
Advance Packaging Tool. It’s an acronym BTW.
Some people do use
aptitudeinstead ofaptorapt-get.These are not the same.
Different ways to wrap around
dpkg.Try running just
aptitude. :) See? :) TUI.
Pacman is great until you forget to delete your lock file because you interrupted an update and wonder why it isn’t working.
APT is user-friendly, but a pain to automate in scripts.
the real winner is compiling from source. 😎
pacman always tells you when the lockfile is present.
Yeah but then every time I have to relook up what that means lol, and how to fix it
Portage gang represent
Yep, had to brick my system once to learn you never interrupt an upgrade…
