I said it before and I’ll say it again, among all tech companies, Apple is the closest to the nazi mindset.
Google has decided you cannot turn off Gemini in their newer versions of Android. You cannot install other roms that do either, Google is killing those too. But yea, Apple is the bad guy. Ignore the Google rug pull.
As much as I don’t disagree, I think the “Apple is closest to Nazism” comment touches on something different. Other massive American companies have awful practices but they don’t care particularly how their way of making money looks. Apple wields a specific aesthetic power that generally dictates a hegemonic uniformity, that strays the line of being to their detriment at times. I don’t think any other big tech company would care in the same way if not for their desire to copy Apple.
Bullshit. I have it turned off on my pixel 9pro and Samsung s24 plus
This is a completely different thought.
Doesn’t seem like anyone has ignored Google. They doing it is old news.
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frankly this is because israel knows exactly how much spyware they’ve gotten their partner, Google, to put into android. the iphone is also chock full of spyware, and they do want to spy on their military force to make sure it’s as ideologically and racially pure as they need it to be to continue their genocide. further consider that budget iphones don’t exist and you realize that their systemic impoverishing of the indigenous Palestinian people means that all of the targets of their genocide are much more likely to be android users than iphone users. given this, israel is in real time creating a new signifier of jewish-israeli identity. soon having an android phone as civilian will be evidence of HAMAS.
and again.
i want to remind everyone that google is a major partner to israel. this is not a case of iphones bad guys, android phones good guys. this is a case of both being components in a system of torture. i can’t tell you yet to divest yourself of both to switch to linux phones like postmarketos because even i can’t do that without buying a new device, but please watch that space. and until you can, if you’re using a google pixel please consider installing grapheneos, and if you’re not please consider using a de-googled lineage based rom. israel greatly values the intel they get from their partner google.
So they switched because they have control and access over both OSs?
They switched because Google has more security leaks than a sieve, even accounting for their own hacks
they are enforcing the discontinuation of one because they got more spyware into it. they view this as a liability because it means there’s more backdoor holes in it and they don’t want that compromising their officer corps’ operational security. however, they also don’t want an entirely spyware free solution for their officers. their entire system of control is built from the ground up on surveillance and enforcing ideological purity. so they still want to spy on their officers. the iphone has the balance they’re looking for
The stuff you say about android checks out and makes sense but the iPhone part doesn’t.
pay particular attention to the invasive telemetry section. this isn’t by accident. ios promises to respect your privacy in its advertising, and does a better job than stock android, but the fact remains that the company is subservient to the states it partners with, one of which is the United States, which has close ties to israel. if your plan is to use your phone with whatever os it comes with, the iphone is more secure. but for a military force like the IDF, they can dictate and even issue whatever would be the most secure. the fact that they do not means these considerations are seen as a positive
What you’re describing isn’t spyware though.
I’m not dying on this hill because at a point it would just be quibbling over semantics. Your point isn’t wrong - I know there are options built into OSes that can be used to monitor user behaviour - but this isn’t spyware in the same way backdooring shit into android would be
No argument that the end result is pretty similar - but one requires exploits to get some shit on the phone. The other is innate to the OS.
Not worth the fight… people here will call even usage based telemetry (how many times did this feature get used) spyware.
It rarely is.
Like, maybe a manufacturer’s default ROM is worse than iPhone, but is it actually better than a GrapheneOS phone?
You already know the answer is no
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Lets face it, the more you know about ol’ tyranty boy StevieJobs the more it makes sense.
The Genius Bar are much more violent these days.
FFS a government makes a policy on phone security which may or may not be a good decision. OK whatever, who cares?
Ah but that government is Israel. So now this is today’s reason for your daily Two Minutes Hate?
Get a grip people.
Do you salt the boot leather first or just a dash of A1 maybe?
Probably licks raw
I’ve hated the Israeli Gov’t much longer than 2 minutes.
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
They don’t want people installing GrapheneOS on them.
But isn’t that stupid tho. Like they should want their military officers to be using the most secure OS.
But then again, its funny to see them make stupid decisions.
That’s only true if they trust them. If the goal is to ensure they can keep track of dissidents then no.
I wouldn’t assume any news about technology being used by IDF to be true in the first place. It could just as easily be misinformation.
says everything about iPhones ‘security’ & ‘privacy’
repeats it
This is it right here. I can’t believe the nonsense I’m reading in this thread. Just goes to show how absolutely uninformed most people are when it comes to security and privacy
The Israeli military has decided to ban Android phones for senior officers
“Under the expected order, commanders from the rank of lieutenant colonel and above will be permitted to use only iPhones for official communications. The step is aimed at reducing the risk of intrusions on senior officers’ handsets, according to the report.”
So it seems that Israel (one of the leading country in hackers spies for hire) thinks that there’s a lot « Hezbollah honey pot » that target android device
Israeli company Cellebrite sells a device to extract data from locked phones, both Android and iPhones afaik. So indeed I’m guessing their government knows some stuff about the security of both platforms.
Fun fact: comments mentioning Cellebrite get immediately shadow-hidden on Reddit, or at least in some of the main subs.
In 2021, Moxie Marlinspike, creator of the encrypted messaging app Signal, pointed to several vulnerabilities in Cellebrite’s UFED and Physical Analyzer software that allowed for arbitrary code execution on Windows computers running the software. One exploit he detailed involved the UFED scanning a specially formatted file, which could then be used to execute arbitrary code on the computer running the UFED. Marlinspike wrote that the code could then “[modify] not just the Cellebrite report being created in that scan, but also “all previous and future generated Cellebrite reports” from all previously scanned devices and all future scanned devices in any arbitrary way.”[27] Marlinspike also found that Cellebrite software was bundled with out-of-date FFmpeg DLL files from 2012, which lacked over 100 subsequent security updates. Windows Installer packages, extracted from the Windows installer for iTunes and signed by Apple, were also found, which he said raised legal concerns.[28] Cellebrite responded that the company “is committed to protecting the integrity of our customers’ data, and we continually audit and update our software in order to equip our customers with the best digital intelligence solutions available.”[29] The report by Signal followed an announcement by Cellebrite in 2020 that it had developed technology to crack encrypted messages in the Signal app, a claim the company later retracted and downplayed.[30][31] The announcement by Marlinspike raised questions about the integrity of data extracted by the software,[32][33] and prompted Cellebrite to patch some of the vulnerabilities found by Signal and to remove full support for analyzing iPhones.[34][35]
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellebrite
Sounds like it is just malware to me.
Vulnerable software is different from malware.
Iirc there was also the part of the story where the exploit for Cellebrite’s thing was included in Signal, and Marlinspike said that data on any device scanning Signal with Cellebrite software would be poisoned.
What I’m hearing is that even if you aren’t a Signal user, you might benefit from having Signal installed on your device?
I’m guessing things might’ve changed since then, as this story is pretty old. I doubt it that they gotten newer versions of Cellebrite to screw them again.
not surprising . Android phones are insecure and basically Google snoop devices.
It’s secure if you’re not stupid and you don’t turn off the safety protocols it literally warns you not to turn off. Stupid people need apple’s domineering control to protect them from themselves
Really depends on the phone and how the controlling organization (whether it’s a private company or the IDF) uses MDM/MAM. It’s totally possible to poorly manage iPhones, and if you do they’ll be insecure as hell. If you were to restrict everyone to a specific Android phone model with hardened software, then you could theoretically do better than deploying all iPhones. Hell, you could even put GrapheneOS on them, but that would be quite an undertaking, and I’m not aware of any company doing it at scale.
Because of the homogeneity of iPhones and how strictly Apple controls them, it’s generally simpler for organizations to manage them and ensure all of their employees are using updated software on a relatively secure phone. So that (in my opinion) is why we’re seeing a lot of organizations just say “screw it, only iPhones allowed”.
anymore details on how they deviate? what specifically is more secure about an iphone than an android?
Feel free to go into deep details if you have them or links
Mostly because Apple’s update policy is superior to A LOT of Android companies. OEMs are really slow when patching known vulnerabilities.
Quick study I found when trying to find evidence:
Example from that study:
Compared to the top three OEMs we examined so far, Google is the one with the most stable support behavior. All of the Pixel devices receive monthly security updates without any delay or missed SPLs [Security Patch Levels]
It’s utterly insane this is noteworthy. Not delaying security updates for KNOWN vulnerabilities should not be exemplary.
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