Mind you, I’m biased since I’m not from the US, I’m Balkan. So a quick heads up there. Plus I’m a hardline commie so yeah. Just did some research on this because It caught my eye.
I haven’t really noticed this here or at Lemmygrad. But a lot of online “leftist” spaces, especially on Reddit, are over hyping this shit too much lmao.
Zohran so far:
- denounces Hamas
- denounces Venezuela and Cuba as dictatorships
- intends to keep zionist Jennifer Tisch as police commissioner
- hired Obama staffers
- ‘don’t sell out bro!’
This circlejerk about a social democrat getting elected is doing my head in, people are acting like the October revolution happened.
Just don’t act surprised when magically not much actual change happens in New York. Also don’t give me “Oh but the pipeline!!!1!”. Yeah If the pipeline actually worked, Bernie and AOC supporters would have been actual marxists by now (Also as a Serb, fuck Bernie, Parenti was right about your dumbass).
I have a pet peeve with American “anti-capitalists” in general. Where they constantly just whine how everything is expensive, no public transport and no free healthcare. Yet they’d probably be fine with the world suffering as long as they got those three things + whatever treats they want.
Don’t forget to join a good org nearby you, read and organize folks!


I think this gets the cause and effect reversed, though. For example, by this logic, the Bernie Sanders campaign demonstrated the same thing 9 years ago and opened the same door. But is that really what happened? The campaign itself was dismantled and the leftovers sold to the DNC. The hangers-on of campaign staff that are still relevant are basically liberal chauvinist hucksters. Some generally left formations grew, but this was largely after he failed, not succeeded. The campaign didn’t really open doors, the doors were already open but people hadn’t thought to enter them, they didn’t think they existed, the campaign said some of them did and then arguably stood in the way of them in lockstep with the bourgeois party. And so afterwards those who were inspired and then disaffected looked for and found those doors again.
They were already primed, they just had nobody trying to organize them, and the campaign didn’t really do that either. The growth was through self-organization where people out their hopes into whatever group seemed most aligned with them. It requires that vacuum, because no Sanders campaign was going to pick them up and organize.
So today we have another electoral campaign, and this time the person won. Same thing, they call themselves socialist and run on the Dem ticket, and play a bit fast and loose with what socialism is, trying to conflate it with minor social democratic reformism. What doors are now open that had previously been closed? There are few disaffected, as he actually won. He is going to actually govern and have to own the conditions that will likely continue to degrade. The DSA, particularly NYDSA, is too disorganized and unprincipled to be a force behind him to agitate sufficiently for what is needed. Perhaps their numbers will grow based on this win. But who is joining and what will this means in an org that has literally no education program or consistent actions? Will other orgs grow because of this? Probably not through positive vibes about a Mamdani win. Maybe through criticizing his eventual mistakes and betrayals, but how will that compare to those soured on the socialist that stabbed them in the back or didn’t do anything?
I just don’t see a tangible connection between “socialist brand won an election” and “things are looking up for organizing”. I can note that from personal experience a municipal socialist in office made an area basically poison for socialists for about two decades.
Two socialists ran for mayor of New York and one of them won. In all of my responses I have never endorsed electoralism. Or really any form of entry-ism. What I said was that a socialist went up against big money and won. Which is a better result than we had 9 years ago. It is slow but I still call that progress.
But O.K. then don’t believe me. The doors are shut. Elections cannot be a litmus test for general sentiment. No progress has been made. What’s the next steps then? What’s even the point of trying?
Don’t bother answering, because what I really want to know is ARE YOU GOING TO GO ORGANIZE OR NOT? Obviously the NYDSA isn’t. You have to. Every one of us has to. Now is the time to do so.
So you don’t endorse entryism or electoralism but when I point out the specific flaws in logic around celebrating an election win by an entryist DSA member I am saying there has been no progress made and there’s no point in trying? I didn’t make you say the things that are flawed or respond to me when I point out those flaws.
I do organize, so why are you lecturing me on this? You are saying irrational things and getting personal. Am I supposed to take away from this that you are not overly invested in Mamdani and electoralism?