Mind you, I’m biased since I’m not from the US, I’m Balkan. So a quick heads up there. Plus I’m a hardline commie so yeah. Just did some research on this because It caught my eye.

I haven’t really noticed this here or at Lemmygrad. But a lot of online “leftist” spaces, especially on Reddit, are over hyping this shit too much lmao.

Zohran so far:

This circlejerk about a social democrat getting elected is doing my head in, people are acting like the October revolution happened.

Just don’t act surprised when magically not much actual change happens in New York. Also don’t give me “Oh but the pipeline!!!1!”. Yeah If the pipeline actually worked, Bernie and AOC supporters would have been actual marxists by now (Also as a Serb, fuck Bernie, Parenti was right about your dumbass).

I have a pet peeve with American “anti-capitalists” in general. Where they constantly just whine how everything is expensive, no public transport and no free healthcare. Yet they’d probably be fine with the world suffering as long as they got those three things + whatever treats they want.

Don’t forget to join a good org nearby you, read and organize folks!

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    23·
    15 days ago

    Who were Noske and Ebert and what did they have to do with the SPD and Rosa?

    What you should be asking is how WW1 empowered Noske and Ebert and how the national question sunk the prospects of Rosa’s faction, instead of imagining an unbroken thoughline from when Engels endorsed electoralism in 1895 to when Rosa lost her life, as if externalities of world historic importance didn’t take precedence

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        21·
        15 days ago

        Which is more important to the outcome of the German revolution? WW1 and it’s effects or the electoral strategies of German socialists during the 1890s-1910s?

        Most Marxist scholars agree it’s the particulars of WW1 and the contradictions of imperialism, you seem to think the original sin lies in the fact German socialists embraced electoralism 40s years before the revolution

        I don’t believe that’s a tenable position and frankly strikes me as you just having a bone to pick with the very concept of elections

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            21·
            15 days ago

            I’m sorry where you just waiting for me to agree with you that being "blanketly optimistic" is ill-advised? Yeah, sure being a bloomer all the time is stupid, what a brave take

            This whole time I thought you were trying to make some broader but misguided point about the historical relationship between revolution and electoralism, but apparently you just wanted to play Captain Obvious, my bad

              • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                2·
                15 days ago

                Yeah go ahead and repeat this brilliant fuckin point I must’ve missed, I’m sure it’s not that total non-sequitur you gave me about the SPD when I asked you how your sentiment isn’t just defeatism

                Chana your arguments aren’t complex, I’m following along just fine, I’ve been trying to tell you that you bringing up the SPD and their role in the German revolution in response to my quote by Engels is stupid, one has nothing to do with the other, the SPD of 1895 is not the same SPD that sicced the Friekorps on Rosa in 1919

                I’ve been responding to what you’ve been saying, you just don’t like my answer, your premise is faulty and stating some irrelevant Wikipedia facts about WW1 SPD doesn’t address my initial point that electoralism is a viable strategy in the Marxist canon

                • ratboy [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  7·
                  15 days ago

                  You did not respond to Chana, you deliberately sidestepped Chana’s question with another question and are claiming victory by being smug, condescending, and pointing fingers and screaming “REDDITOR!!!” at anyone challenging you. Very mature.

                  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    21·
                    15 days ago

                    I post an Engels quote from 1895, in response I receive a non-sequitur about the SPD during WW1, I explain multiple times WHY it’s a non-sequitur and why it’s irrelevant to my original point, all I get in response is snide bullshit, snark and actual condescension and I respond in kind…end of story

                    Also adding exclamation marks to other people’s words to claim they were “screaming” is some real disingenuous bullshit, and you want to talk about mature

                    Now you and the ultra larper clique can kindly fuck off, thanks