Mind you, I’m biased since I’m not from the US, I’m Balkan. So a quick heads up there. Plus I’m a hardline commie so yeah. Just did some research on this because It caught my eye.

I haven’t really noticed this here or at Lemmygrad. But a lot of online “leftist” spaces, especially on Reddit, are over hyping this shit too much lmao.

Zohran so far:

This circlejerk about a social democrat getting elected is doing my head in, people are acting like the October revolution happened.

Just don’t act surprised when magically not much actual change happens in New York. Also don’t give me “Oh but the pipeline!!!1!”. Yeah If the pipeline actually worked, Bernie and AOC supporters would have been actual marxists by now (Also as a Serb, fuck Bernie, Parenti was right about your dumbass).

I have a pet peeve with American “anti-capitalists” in general. Where they constantly just whine how everything is expensive, no public transport and no free healthcare. Yet they’d probably be fine with the world suffering as long as they got those three things + whatever treats they want.

Don’t forget to join a good org nearby you, read and organize folks!

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Yeah If the pipeline actually worked, Bernie and AOC supporters would have been actual marxists by now

    I just want to say that probably half of the old subredd (and this site) were that before becoming what they are today. It does work. Not in like mass numbers, but it does work. You need a lot of these events to create more.

    I agree with you though mostly, and have said the same in a few threads. I was initially very optimistic about him but I don’t see a functional difference between him and AOC right now.

    • xiaohongshu [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      17 days ago

      There is also the survivorship bias where the people who ended up the furthest left talking to each other in Marxist forums start thinking that every other lib who loved Bernie and AOC would also be like them.

      The reality is that the vast majority of the people who participated in those campaigns never moved beyond the milquetoast socdem phase.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        17 days ago

        Yes but one thing is certain, there are more real communists in the US today than there were 20 years ago. Various events happened to cause that and it didn’t just spontaneously manifest itself. Bernie was certainly the biggest of the events.

        • glimmer_twin [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          11·
          17 days ago

          I think continued backsliding of material conditions for the working class (especially post-2008) and what the mainstream calls “rising inequality” (aka capitalist monopoly tendency) are the biggest drivers of creating new communists. When people are getting fucked by the system, some of them look around for alternatives, and if enough of them look a bunch end up finding socialism.

          Sanders was just the figurehead of a popular movement that was an expression of the same energy, he didn’t “create” communists by any conscious positive action of his own. Although his abject two times failure and comfortable relationship with genocide and capitalism in general definitely drove some people to become radicalised via feeling betrayed/lost.