And as someone who lived most of my life under an authoritarian regime, I don’t respect your advocation for censorship. If you knew the effect of thinking you know better than anyone and can decide for them, you would never make such comments.

But no one is forcing you to comment! You’ve expressed your opposition and I respect your opinion!

At this point I’m getting bad vibes from you TBH! I’ve expressed my opinion and apparently some people find it compelling and some disagree, that’s fine!

Well, it was always my opinion! No one’s opinion is a fact, necessarily. Let’s agree to disagree! glhf

Social Consensus! This should be part of the culture that unless some instance is factually harming us or content there is illegal (for jurisdiction of the hosted instance) we should not defederate.

Did you really just equate trying to leave an authoritarian country with signing up for a different federated instance?

Yes I am, you are suggesting I don’t know the meaning of these words, so I’ve provided an example of the exact same situation (importance doesn’t change meaning of words here, does it?)

If you censor me, you have censored me! The fact that you’re a government or admin of instance doesn’t change word’s meaning.

this is probably some nuance you should have provided in your original post where you only say that calling for defederation makes you a “dictator” and in no way indicate that there are situation where you think defederation is appropriate.

In hindsight, I should’ve but in response to most comments I’ve acknowledged that it’s fine in a lot of situations

But second of all, how would you enforce what you are proposing? If larger instances were prevented somehow from defederating, wouldn’t that require some sort of “authority” making that decision for those instance? That doesn’t seem to align with your values based on what you’ve posted.

May I ask what made you think I’m looking for enforcement here? I believe in human coordination and freedom of choice. If I join a general instance, I don’t expect admins to decide who I can interact with, that’s all!

No one is stopping you to migrate from an authoritarian country either (most of the time) and yet they’re called authoritarian. Also, I’m not saying instances “shouldn’t be allowed to defederate”, I’m saying advocating for this on a general instance with 100K users is wrong. If this was a niche or small community with agreed upon and shared values (like beehaw for example) that would be understandable.

Saying things like “Oh, But You Can Run Your Instance” is dismissive of the issue, There’s literally no option to migrate accounts and expecting average users to deal with this mess is beyond me.

no instance ever defederate for any reason

did I say this?!

Also advocating for defederation (censorship) on an instance with 100K users is dictatorship. specially when you can’t prove that said instance is harmful.

If you cared enough to read my post (or comments under maybe) you would’ve seen that I have no problem with defederation in general. My issue is defederation of general instances with 10s of thousands of users for literally no reason but FUD. If you can prove that some other instance is harmful, you should definitely consider defederating

Can you elaborate?

I have no problem with people making educated decisions or ask for change based on facts. Fully agree about quality over quantity as well. My issue is FUD, having no idea what you’re talking about and still trying to convince everyone of that is harmful. When people working day and night on these protocols say there are no privacy concerns and no one can show you ads etc. and yet someone with literally zero understanding of the matter claims otherwise.

Exactly, I have a lot of normie friends that use threads, I don’t want to use it but would love to interact with them. Best of both worlds

I’m not new to this, though usually not very active poster. so yes I have not experienced much harassment tbh.

About defederation

Exactly! Fortunately there are some great devs working on generalized web 3 sign in(like SpruceID) and we have some experiments with blockchain based social media(like Lens protocol) These are by no means perfect but can paint a picture of what’s actually possible if we were to differenciate some bad actors using this new technology to scam people from actual underlying tech

Wow now that’s a stretch you’re putting thoughts in my mind lol! English is not my native language(I’d like to think I’m good with it though) Anyways if you can come to conclusions about people so quickly that says enough about you I’ve just used word “hate” and you’re making such drama.

I don’t understand your first sentence but it’s ok i guess we both have our values Also probably hate wasn’t right word to use you’re right Have a nice day

That’s not a stretch. Let me give you a recent example. In past few months people in Iran started protesting against regime(it’s mostly known as Woman Life Freedom, you can search for it online) To begin with there’s no such thing as free internet in Iran but people are used to ways to circumvent it(Proxy/VPN) but guess what? Instagram the most popular social media in iran decides that videos from the protests where actual people are getting shot on the street is “violent” and “harmful” and decides to remove them(not just shootings, even those where people were simply chanting)! How the hell are people supposed to tell the world what’s going on there? It’s not just Instagram it’s almost all of these social media(which Iranian people don’t really know of or use) How would web 3 solve this? Of course it’s not magical and it’s not going to solve this completely but at least these people would have chance to share what’s going on There are hundreds of such events year Also blockchain is pseudonymous and isn’t necessarily tied to a person may I ask what’s your problem with web 3? What makes you hate it so much?

I totally get your point. but I feel like thinking that censoring is OK comes from the fact that most of people here have not ever experienced authoritarian regimes or been on the other side(getting censored) In a web 3 platform your content is always there but it doesn’t mean that we all can see it! You can opt-in to use some kind of moderated ui that only shows appropriate content. Isn’t this the same? No cause I’m free to express myself and people willing can follow my thoughts and if you find it inappropriate you’re also free to ignore me. If you’re interested I can share examples of these censorships that leads to people getting killed

Edit: grammar

Down votes as expected, would appreciate some actual reasoning from anyone against what I’ve said

I think you don’t understand value proposition of web 3. Aside from financial applications, web 3(if realized properly) gives you certainty and even a better ux. Imagine you have a single account, secured and truly decentralized (no one will be able to delete or manipulate your account) you can easily signup in any web 3 site/app and start using it, ideally you content, data or whatever You’re generating in this platform is stored on a Blockchain, immutable for ever. No one can censor you! You don’t have to trust goodwill of anyone, everything will just work!