Imagine being aware of LIFO OVS notation, but not being aware of PEMDAS /s
Imagine being aware of LIFO OVS notation, but not being aware of PEMDAS /s
If memory serves, I was looking for front-ends for . Accidentally found Hexbear and made this account a couple of months later.
Don’t really see a reason to leave, especially considering that I have almost no social life outside of here.
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I’m going to note that you are very reluctant to actually elaborate on many of your points, including which socialist projects have a better record of being on the right side of history. Seriously, how many can you name other than Cuba and East Germany?
Also, surely you don’t hold the pogrom-loving Makhno’s territories in higher regard, do you?
Okay, why do you hold, for example, Vietnam in higher regard than the USSR? Why do you consider Angola to be better than the USSR? Why the early PRC over the USSR?
Which socialist projects do you hold in higher regard?
You’re completely missing the point of what I said for the sake of defensiveness
Firstly, what points am I missing?
Secondly, you mistake an honest attempt to educate as ‘defensiveness’. If you want to try to escalate, I assure you that I can bite back and that I have studied the topic. I would like to ask you to keep things civil, however.
Your points are all broadly addressed in whar youre replying to
Except, they are evidently not.
You do not address the fact that the Bolsheviks were progressive even by today’s standards (the guaranteed housing alone is a very significant development that is possible due to planned economy and you may notice that planned economies at least usually - if not always - provide guaranteed housing).
You do not address the fact that the USSR did quite a bit more than ‘the bare minimum’ internationally, either. The claim in your original comment is outright false.
You do not address the fact that your claim that ‘they relished the misery, fetishized the sacrifices, and frequently missed the god damn point’ is just fantasy that doesn’t mean anything and is just meant to very vaguely paint communists in a bad light.
I am going to note that you refused to elaborate on any of that.
and it was the worst most reactionary group of communists kind of giving communism a bad name by being generally shitty about being bare minimum decent¹
I think you are extremely not aware of their achievements, or are undervaluing things such as guaranteed housing (I want to reiterate this point - it means that the state does not just up and torture and kill people by forcing them onto the streets - this is something that nobody seems to pay much attention to, including anarchists, for whatever reason), guaranteed healthcare (meaning that people are not tortured by being declined a basic need in this regard, either), the sort of women’s rights that we take for granted today (including criminalisation of marital SA - first in the world).
I am sorry, but in what world is that ‘the most reactionary group of communists’, and how is this ‘the bare minimum’? This is massive.
Also the bolsheviks killing all the other communists, not just the anarchists
I’m not sure what groups are you referring to.
Yes they were better than the other world powers, but by as little as they could get away with
This is just straight up false. Their internal achievements were massive. Internationally, they supported basically every anti-colonial liberation movement in the world (which, for example, is a huge contrast between them and the PRC). They were not under any obligation to do the good that they did in that regard.
like they relished the misery, fetishized the sacrifices, and frequently missed the god damn point
I’m sorry, but this is just obvious unsubstantiated fantasy. I am saying this as a person who both has put effort into investigating the USSR, and who has easy access to people who lived and worked in the USSR and who knows what those people think on the matter.
The German left? I hope they all do.
‘Peace and love’ is when you claim that the anti-colonjal liberation movements of Asia, Africa, etc. were all oppressive and shouldn’t have succeeded, and when you don’t suggest any viable alternatives.
It just makes you look intolerant.
Haha. You are literally opposed to the liberation of Vietnam, Korea, Mozambique, Cuba, etc., because the liberation movements were ‘oppressive’.
You seem to like blaming people for things they don’t actually have direct control of.
You have full control over you coming here, antagonising us, and talking about how communists in the rest of the world should have no defense against your empire.
You claim that those governments are/were oppressive, but you are yet to present any viable alternative. Just vague ‘oh, they should just have no governments’, completely unsupported by history.
You say I want slaves, but I obviously don’t.
Cool. How do you suggest the rest of the world stops subjugation by your empire - which western anarchists like you have not only done nothing against, but have even supported? And do consider that if your suggestion is unsupported by history, you are just being unserious.
So far, it seems that you just want NATO to restore the old colonial gold over the rest of the world.
You ask why I haven’t removed the government… like I have the button?
Why do you want the rest of the world to follow your vision that is unsupported by history that you (plural) have never managed to achieve anywhere, and while being completely against what had worked and what has massively improved people’s lives, then? You have no examples to show, and you argue that the rest of the world should be rid of defenses against you.
It’s very clear you’re not interested in world where everyone comes together.
The USSR was one of the most consistent and successful forces in having most of the world come together to fight colonialism. You argue that that was ‘oppressive’.
You want a few people to suffer first
You quite literally want for people to suffer under capitalism until you somehow topple every government (somehow, while doing nothing and while supporting the states and people who suppress any sort of change for good that does not involve getting rid of governments immediately), and are unwilling to support any changes for the better until then.
Everything you’re saying about me is wrong.
You literally claimed that the movements that fought against colonialism and capitalism successfully were somehow had and oppressive.
You are literally saying that the governments that fought against colonialism were/are oppressive, and then you go ‘I don’t actually think that!’
You are also yet to explain what the victims of your colonialism should have done.
By the way, this includes Nazi German settler-colonial genocide that targeted, among others, a group I belong to. Please, tell me how much you would love for my family to be enslaved and worked to death, infant.
Clearly the governments who control people need to be removed.
So that NATO can invade them again and resubjugate them as your near-slaves?
How about no, and how about you stop pretending that you know what’s best for the people your empire has harmed and has been harming?
I don’t think they need to be replaced with another oppressive government.
You are yet to remove any of the governments of the colonial metropoles, while storing with colonial oppressors at every turn.
If you want to stop the oppression of the world outside of the Imperial core, you need to do at least something about the states of said core. So far it is only the spooky MLs and other communists that you hate so much who do something viable regarding the matter, including having the ‘oppressive’ governments that defend their people against your empire.
You are yet to expiration what you think the people in Vietnsm, Cuba, Korea, etc. should have done, and why antagonising us and helping your empire is higher on your priority list than replacing your governments with something else.
HAHAHA.
What is this nonsense? Do you suggest the people under your colonial bondage just get along with their oppressors? Or that workers hold hands with the capitalists?
What do you suggest people of Vietnam should have done? Korea? Cuba? Laos? China?
What? I have no idea where you got that. You just read whatever you want?
I don’t accept any oppressor as a step forward.
Either you do not actually speak about any movement that we support, or you don’t see any difference between before and after they succeeded. Which is it?
This is my problem, you just make shit up
I literally listed some of the things that the USSR managed to achieve within the first 30 years of its existence. Pretty sure almost all of that also applies to the PRC (just with the different starting line expectancy).
I want everything in your last paragraph
Cool. Then you want the USST, the PRC, Cuba, liberated Korea, etc.
We don’t need to have an oppressive government to make that happen.
You claim that every movement that achieved those things was ‘oppressive’. As such, this claim of yours is unsupported.
EDIT: Also, what is your plan for defending against a NATO invasion?
You literally decry communist movements that were successful in their struggles for liberation from your colonialism (this includes the USSR, by the way) as simply switching the oppressor.
You are either extremely ignorant, or are just outright malicious.
Notably, the Tau were introduced only a few years after the setting turned grimdark.