Keld [he/him, any]

With these caveats I agree that we are very close to being aligned on most issues.

You sought to forward a view of history that saw an institution that any material analysis of history would show you existed to prop up a a regressive and exploitative social order, actually being better than a modern institution that does the same based on the existence of made up virtues. It is pure reaction to modern christianity without a real analysis of the older christianity to which you are comparing it. The medieval church defended slavery and used enslavement as a tool of discipline, it defended a regressive social order, it participated in genocide, and it existed for the defense of the feudal order. And you say that modern christianity is an abomination in comparison to it based on the existence of sects that defend a modern regressive social order.

Not only were indulgences a thing way before Luther, you even had mass opposition to indulgences a century before Luther. Not much of what Luther said was original, he just argued it best. Paying to have years shaved off your time in purgatory, cut down on penance or ensure salvation goes back into the early medieval period. It just got more blatant with time

No. Because you’re conflating time periods, countries and projecting stuff backwards. Enclosure riots began in the 16th century in England, but prior to that in the holy roman empire you had laws limiting urbanisation and laws for when a peasant could be collected by his landlord even if he had attempted to move into the city. Even as late as the 18th century you had laws in parts of Europe like the Stavnesbånd which outright banned serfs from moving to the city.

What. While it’s true that the church ran hospitals, and that the monasteries (Not the clergy. Come on) provided some measure of a social release valve. This screed goes beyond rose tinted glasses into pure trad cath delusion. By the period we usually call the high middle ages joining a monastary would usually involve both a literacy requirement and providing an endowment of land or a gift of money to the monastary, which effectively removed the poor from consideration. As a result several movements emerged to create impromptu monastic life in urban centers (Primarily by women too poor to join a convent or who did not wish to live in seclusion) which were all cracked down on by the church.

“Black people” is a concept of racialism that was invented in the modern period

The valladolid debate took place in 1550, which places it firmly in the early modern period, which is where I said it took place.

Nowadays you have prosperity gospel, where the core central tenet is that being wealthy makes you righteous (and vice versa).

The medieval church literally made the aristocracy God’s representatives on earth. The emperor was literally a symbol of God’s power on earth and imbued with the absolute power to kill in his name as per the two swords doctrine.

I’m just… what are you doing?

Urbanisation in the late middle ages and early modern period was in part a voluntary thing in much of Europe, as a form of resistance by the lower classes to serfdom and manoralism. That’s why we see so many laws in parts of the world where the feudal contracts were the strongest about the exact requirements to become a city dweller, and why we saw attempts by aristocrats in the late middle ages and early modern period to limit urbanisation by force. You’re conflating time periods again.

modern christianity is an abomination compared to older variants of catholicism in many ways

In waht ways are those? Because I’ll remind you that medieval Catholicism included a pay-2-win scheme and early modern Catholic doctrine was that black people didn’t have souls.

and why women had to be shoved into the “trad wife” role via the witch hunts.

There is a several century long gap between these two phenomena. What are you talking about.
While witch hunts were undoubtedly in part a measure of social control in the early modern period, the concepts involved in a “trad wife” (A wife who is unemployed, who engages solely in tasks like cleaning, cooking and child rearing and who is subservient to her husband) would be completely fucking alien to a medieval or even early modern european person. You are inventing a time period that is somehow the medieval period, the early modern period and the first industrial revolution at the same time.

ACAB All cats are bastards

Not to defend feudalism, but the total detachment from morality we see is more of a modern phenomenon. While I’m not going to pretend the Habsburg had an inkling of genuine respect for the lower classes, part of the reason for the power of the church was a shared belief or at least need to pretend to a belief system in which your excesses were bad. The ruling powers of feudalism did just as much virtue signaling, if not more. Things like kings pretending to wear hair shirts under their silks, engaging in performative displays of humility to the church, or isolated displays of charity, were all things the aristocracy did to show their virtue and justify their own rule.

I’m actually going to guess based on some of these that it’s not as bad as the titles make it out to be. And clicking on the video about trad wives reveals that at least the timestamps show a better understanding of the medieval era than you might realize, given that it contains things such as “The 1950s: The real origin of the housewife ideal”, “Nuns and convents as economic powerhouses”, and “Parisian guild records: Women as artisans”.

Edit: Oh god, this is basically a guy who thinks the medieval period was actually progressive and that was good. This is a lib who loves latin mass so much he made that his identity but remained a lib.

that is literally just “Sunless Skies”.

What gets me is that that isn’t even true. The Italian fascists were famously bad at day-to-day governing in Italy.

By like the mid 1930s the nazis had already turned the German economy into a fucked up ponzi scheme, and the Italian fascists had to create the second most publicly owned economy in the world because they had a government policy of buying every failing italian company and then mandating that nothing change about how the company was run.

Did you know that slaves imported to the 13 colonies used to be branded with the sigil of the duke of york (Later king of Scotland/England) because the royal african company was owned by the monarchy and they had a monopoly on the slave trade

If kid starver decided to unilaterally close down the city of London and arrest everyone in there from one day to the next, I would in fact have to give it to him.

Israel

Yaoi Gargarin

The subclavicular muscle literally just sits there to keep the clavicle down, it’s a fascist tendon.

Bigfoot is actually the wandering jew.

Well it isn’t, but Francis made a whole deal about it and you even had a couple of priests call him a heretic for it.

Like with all admissions of the Catholic church the answer is “Yes, but”. The clarification is that there is no such place as purgatory, you can’t go to purgatory. Purgatory is a process that happens to you in heaven.