Abbott ‘has the blood of a child on his hands,’ a congresswoman said. ‘No good person would do this,’ said Mexico President López Obrador.
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They’ll go ahead and say it’s unfortunate and that they’re sending thoughts and prayers to the family affected
I would be very surprised if Abbott did even that. Or anyone who voted for him, honestly. If they say it’s unfortunate they acknowledge it was an unintended outcome of putting those buoys and razor wire in there. Meaning, it’s an outcome of something they did. They’ll just say, “well they shouldn’t have been there” and move on to the next person to hate.
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He probably does and they’re probably like this ad well.
He didn’t say anything factually wrong. Neither did you in the first sentence, but then you went for a personal attack for no reason.
People claim Lemmy is better because downvotes mean nothing, but that also encourages this shitty behavior.
Someone implying a person should die without trial for violating border laws in peacetime is what encourages this kind of behavior.
No one is owed civility.
Correct, but please mind rule 1. We don’t owe you access to commenting in this community.
The irony of this comment in response to me calling someone a monster for implying a child deserved to die in a trap because they were in violation of civil tort is not lost on me.
The proper way to deal with someone you dissagree with is, downvote, respond without a personal attack (doesn’t help your point in any way) and block if you really hate them.
This has nothing to do with the content in the discussion. We want this place to be a forum for discussion where everyone is treated with respect, this doesn’t work if we let people who we agree with do whatever they want.
No one is owed civility.
Why the fuck not?
Not replying is always an option.
That’s a very valid point, everyone could just not reply to monstrous statements.
I wonder what would happen if people who either want to get a rush from transgression or genuinely hold hideous views were never chastised?
Imagine if the judge reading a list of charges on you followed up each one with “you dumb fuck”.
What you’re saying makes no sense.
All I said is keep personal insults to yourself. You know nothing about the people you communicate with on Lemmy. You have zero insight into their life, their experiences, their education or anything that would give you the right to insult them personally.
Just state your opinion and stfu. Full stop. If you’re unable to keep personal insults to yourself, don’t comment. It’s very simple.
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If you have some sort of mental processing issue which precludes your ability to understand what context is, you’re excused somewhat.
This was someone’s kid, just like you. If nobody points out how horrible these sentiments are, where will we end up? “They were a criminal” isn’t relevant to what sounds like an excuse for justifying their death.
I edited this to be less vitriolic, I originally asked you to choke on a book, but let’s try the civil route.
You just can’t make a comment without personal attack, can you?
Please give me context in which judge hands out sentence for even the most vicious of crimes and follows it up with personal attacks.
I understand online forum isn’t a court room, but there’s zero reason for insults in either case.
Sure I can. See?
Criminals get trials.
Dehumanized victims get drowned.
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This is a very inhuman response.
I think you need to think about the fact that you posted this comment on a post about the death of a child. Take a few steps back and breathe.
But would you agree that the severity of the punishment should fit the crime?
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So does an illegal border crossing seem to be a crime on the same level as the death penalty is a punishment?
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Illegal immigration is a civil crime.
Not to diminish your point (in fact, quite the opposite), but illegal immigration is a civil tort.
Fair enough. Accuracy on these things is important.
“Pro life”
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I realize you didn’t explicitly ask for feedback in your comment but when you use that format, it works best if you choose contradictory views. Otherwise, you just end up looking like a moron.
Glad there’s people like you who have it all figured out. Suck it. Besides if you’re talking about knowing your audience, Better Off Dead would like a word.
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Guess I’m lucky to have great reading comprehenders and number understanders like you to show me the light.
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Protect the kids in front, make literal death traps for kids in back.
Yea, that is logically consistent. No one should have poison pumped in their veins, and no one should be forced to carry and unwanted fetus.
I say this with a wife that’s 9 months pregnant. I can’t wait to meet my son… And Im stonchly in support of her right to her own body.
Ahh and where were you when an experimental mRNA jab was pushed en masse, people lost their jobs and acquired health complications because of this "vaccine " that didn’t even help?
But something tells me your double standards speak volumes.
Exemplary example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, my guy. Or good troll, not sure.
Almost like adding unsupervised obstacles to a dangerous environment contributes to harmful outcomes. Somebody should get paid to write up an article on the subject for the Journal of Foreseeable Consequences.
If I booby-trap my home and somebody gets killed trying to break in, I (rightfully) go to prison for murder. If a politician booby-traps a border (with exceptions for situations involving war) and somebody gets killed trying to cross, they should end up behind bars too.
The issue with that argument is that people supporting this believe they are fully allowed to booby-trap their house.
Luckily, ignorance of the law does not insulate those individuals from consequences if they act on their incorrect beliefs. Just wish we’d apply the same line of thinking without regard for the perpetrator’s level of political influence.
Unless they’re a cop, then it’s called qualified immunity.
While I have no doubt that people believe this. The people charged with enforcing the law should be aware of the law.
The judicial system strongly disagrees with you on that one.
Too many things I want to reply to.
Sorry a kid died because their parents were ‘breaking the law’ How did a kid manage to make it to the border Nobody accused Abbott of being a good person Death traps. Roll a DC 15 constitution save.
Remember when there was a time that the president of the United States characterized the place we live as, “a shining beacon on a hill” and “bring us your tired, your weary, your broken masses” (sic) …
The USA, despite your opinion, remains one of the most wealthy, prominent, and aspirational places to be (or arguably has ever existed) … you can choose one of two paths …
You can feel empathy for those that suffer and try to find a way by any means or you can say fuck 'em.
Choose empathy. We need a more effective, rational border policy. I’m not all rainbows and sunshine. One thing that needs to happen is an amendment to the constitution. Just because you’re here and pump babies out doesn’t make xyz a citizen. That is a supremely archaic provision of the constitution that needs amendment. It’s no small part as to why some people risk their lives just to get here.
Ultimately people want to improve their station in life and we should not begrudge them for doing so. Improving one’s station is what we all wish for. We need to put pressure on our politicians to do things to IMPROVE the situation because the status quo is not only immoral but impractical.
I hate to tell you this. But has always been this way in the us. It used to be that the USA has a quota amount that we would except in the us. That’s one of the main reasons that you sure turned away from New York. Cuz I would have to increase the quote on the West Coast
You’re right but we also didn’t go drown them in the Hudson. The southern border can be a savage place. I’ll never forget stepping out of the car during a cross-country trip and immediately losing my breath due to the heat.
I’m not disagreeing with you at all just pointing out that this attitude isn’t out of the norm for the USA. I will state this next sentence kinda the same pattern with US the bullshit at the border we just didn’t kill people. But is True for most of the time in the us history. The USA would just send the the people back on the boat that came in one. But in the late 1930 and early 1940 we sent many jews back to Germany to be gassed, starved, and worked to death. Did US pull the trigger no. But did the US doom them I would say yes but at that time wasn’t known what would happen when her were returned. That being said just pick up the people and send them back across the border it isn’t that hard. Does it cost money yes but damnit I don’t think traps need to be laid to kill people.
Abbott is such a colossal piece of shit. The oak should’ve won.
Shit like this makes me feel all bitey. Blood calls to blood. Gets my heart pumping in the wrong way. I need carbs or a riot and I don’t want to riot.
Fuck Texas, they’ll find the roles reversed when their desert shithole becomes unable to support human life. I say throw a border around that bitch and let them apply in place for asylum.
For a state that believes in good Christian values they sure suck at being Christian…
Nobody ever accused Abbott of being a good person.
Abbott is a murderer. Arrest him.
What are these buoys and how are they used to deter migrants?
My understanding is that they are death traps designed to pull you under into a net and then you drown. There are warning signs on the US side but not the Mexican one.
Not sure how they work as a deterrent, maybe the goal is to kill enough people so news goes back to the migrants’ countries and scares the others off the trip? Otherwise if you already made it all the way to the border I don’t think you’d turn back because of them. Then again maybe the point is simply to kill migrants.
Isn’t laying death traps… you know, illegal?
Not if you’re a Republican with pussy Democrats as your opponent
And if this were literally the only potentially lethal hazard on these poor people’s trek, it might actually work as a deterrent. But when people are fleeing for their life, through lethal hazards literally every day of the journey, only to face lethal risks after actually settling in America? What’s one more risk, when the penalty is always the same…
There’s also apparently barbed wire laid under some stretches.
How did a child from Honduras get to the Texas border? Was he, in fact, part of an illegal border crossing group?
Why don’t we ask him?
We don’t have to. It’s pretty obvious a child a few countries away from home dying at the border between countries was trying to cross illegally. They didn’t just get lost on the way home from school.
Probably the same way karl shittenhouse crossed state lines with an illegally carried weapon.
The borders between states is nowhere near the same as the border is between sovereign nations. We do have the right to travel. It’s not just a meme from sovereign citizens. And as far as I’m aware, he was not charged with a crime for having a firearm. He was legally allowed to carry it.
Not being charged with a crime doesn’t necessarily make the action legal. Not unless a precedent is set, and in this case none was.
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It is if they set up the trap that lead to their deaths.
Illegal immigration violates civil code, not criminal code. You’re saying people deserve to die for doing the same level of crime as speeding or littering.
Sad. The parents would have known how risky this is, very irresponsible to try get through like that. They may have been fleeing unrest in Honduras, but there are multiple countries before the US they could have tried to seek refuge in. Choosing the US makes them economic migrants at that point.
And if they are economic migrants… It’s ok to murder their child?
Those bastards. Wanting better lives. How dare they have what we have?!
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Nope. I’ll bite: death isn’t the answer to breaking the law in a way that doesn’t immediately hurt anyone. What a dunder-headed take.
“murdering a child is ok, if the parents are crossing a border illegally”
people are tired of arguing with people who have no compassion. it’s like talking to a chicken.
So where were the parents?
The child was one of TWO people dead.
Trying to escape the country they came from to look for a better life. You think this kid wandered the desert themselves?
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Yeah, but when they went to cross, surely they could’ve gone to an official border crossing, and done a little paperwork.
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Yeah there’s all sorts of situation ls where someone might try ro get there kid here. It’s sad bit largely a failure of actions and policies we have had in the region. It doesn’t matter if their parents were with them, left behind or waiting for the kid at the destination. All that matters is that there’s a kid dead in a inhumane death trap that should never have been built. Biden should mobilize the national guard and have it removed since abbot isn’t gonna do it.
Fuck off we’re full.
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Why didn’t they go with the kid?
Try talking to people who are doing this and learn something
That’s not a helpful statement, just a deflection to a legitimate question. Where are the parents and why are they not here also making the crossing
There are all sorts of reasons unaccompanied minors attempt this journey; information about this is widely available if you read. It’s clear the original question here was intended to try to find a reason to blame the victim and their family rather than the actual cause of their death
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Can’t handle the reasoning, eh?
That’s the first thing that comes to mind?
Yeah? Kid went a thousand miles, he didn’t do it alone. And at the most critical point, the actual crossing, where were the parents?
I find it sad that you feel no empathy for the kids (or their parents), and that your first thought is to assign blame. I don’t see the point in saying something so callous, but perhaps your intention is to spread hate. You wouldn’t be a hateful person now, would you? I suppose only you know the real answer to that. Good luck to you, I know you’ll figure it out one day.
Wut?
