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  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
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    6 hours ago

    Mass kidnappings of cannon fodder that is not allowed to leave is quite unique to Zelensky’s regime.

    That’s literally what conscription means in legal terms, though I imagine most military organisations would object to the term “cannon fodder” as they do try to use personnel to get something done, not just send them running into enemy lines of fire for no reason.

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      5 hours ago

      That’s literally what conscription means in legal terms

      No. Conscription is you get summons and have to do military service (which is also totally wrong but a different thing). If you refuse you get sent to jail. You can simply leave the country if you don’t like that.

      What happens in Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the streets (who are forbidden from leaving the country), putting them into vans and sensing them to die.

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        5 hours ago

        You’re presenting a distinction without a difference.

        Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.

        Jail-time is the best case scenario, and in no way intrinsic to the concept.

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          4 hours ago

          Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.

          So “you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines” is the same as “you can freely leave the country but if you don’t you will have to do forced labour in military uniform for a year”.

          Got it.

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            4 hours ago

            Now you’re just being deliberately obtuse. That’s not what the word “conscription” means, and I’m pretty sure you know that.

            You’re just being an ass because a year of mandatory service is what the law uses conscription for in Finland, DURING PEACETIME.

            In wartime, being unable to leave the country, forced to fight on the front lines, is also conscription.

            Conscription, also known as the draft in American English, is the practice in which the compulsory enlistment in a national service, mainly a military service, is enforced by law.

            “you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines”

            When done by a state, that is literally still within the definition.

    • MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml
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      5 hours ago

      Conscription for popular wars doesn’t get to the point Ukraine is at. The U.S. drafted soldiers in WWII without the situation deteriorating to this point, for example. Then when they tried that for an unpopular war (Vietnam) it created all sorts of problems and the draft was scrapped.