Pro-Palestine protestors really seem to get the pigs into a rage. They must believe that they’ll be able to get away with it.
And so far, it looks like they have. Right now, in the U.S., the Trumplicans (and Leon) are revoking the visas of international students who took part in protests to support Palestine. I’d guess for every couple we hear about there are a hundred more we don’t.
It seems strange the countries all over the world are using similar violence against anyone protesting the Zionist genocide.
Police intervened when the protesters allegedly violated the restriction, triggering a confrontation, Bild reported. As tensions escalated, demonstrators reportedly threw bottles and clashed with officers, leaving at least one officer injured. Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account, stating that 28 people were detained and insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently.
In Germany, “Pro-palestine” protestors usually try to hijack left-wing demonstrations for unrelated topics. Saw that many times myself, and get super sad about it all the time.
It is really tough if you are out demonstrating fascism, and all of a sudden people with antisemitic symbols stand behind you, waving their watermelons and god knows what
Israel is a fascist apartheid state committing genocide. Police violently cracking down on anti-israel / anti-zionist speech is also fascist. You are conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism, which is genuine anti-semitism. Anti-zionism calls for the end to genocide and for Palestinians emancipation.
Zionism is about Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of native Palestinians, it is not reflective of Judaism nor is it representative of Jewish people. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as it falsely attributes the actions of Israel to all Jewish people.
Zionism is anti-Semitic at it’s core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it’s inception as a colonialist movement.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
here’s a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on
Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well
Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well
any proof he’s a zionist, or just doesn’t agree with you
Did you not even bother to read the paragraphs I quoted? You have no clue what you’re talking about
But in an astonishing recent Ha’aretz interview, after summarizing his new research, Morris proceeds to argue for the necessity of ethnic cleansing in 1948. He faults David Ben-Gurion for failing to expel all Arab Israelis, and hints that it may be necessary to finish the job in the future. Though he calls himself a left-wing Zionist, he invokes and praises the fascist Vladimir Jabotinsky in calling for an “iron wall” solution to the current crisis. Referring to Sharon’s Security Wall, he says, “Something like a cage has to be built for them. I know that sounds terrible. It is really cruel. But there is no choice. There is a wild animal there that has to be locked up in one way or another.” He calls the conflict between Israelis and Arabs a struggle between civilization and barbarism, and suggests an analogy frequently drawn by Palestinians, though from the other side of the Winchester: “Even the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians.”
honestly don’t see this in all that stuff you copy pasted
you conflate zionist with the mania of this last war, zionist used to just mean jews that want their own country
morris acknowledges the bad that was done in the war that led to the naqba, but saw it as the only option where the palestinians would never settle for peace and hadn’t done for 20 years
palestinians and israeli’s have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years
That’s completely false and a common hasbara talking point to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The Concept of Transfer in Zionist Political Thought goes back to 1882
Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction
that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
The Zionists were tireless in their efforts to shape the Commission’s proposals, meeting not only with the Com mission members themselves, but with statesmen, cabinet ministers, members of parliament, and senior officials at the Foreign and Colonial Office with whom the Commission members were likely to consult before formulating their recommendations.15 At these meetings the idea of a population transfer was promoted in conjunction with the partition of the country, the partition idea apparently was first suggested by a member of the Commission itself. Professor Reginald Coupland, during a private meeting with Weizmann in Palestine. The prospect of official British recognition- hitherto steadfastly denied-of Jewish sovereignty and state hood, even in only part of Palestine, represented a tremen dous, and at that stage unhoped for, advance for the Zionist movement.
Given the demographic realities at the time, whatever boundaries might be devised for partition would inevitably result in large numbers of Arabs and even greater expanses of Arab-owned land becoming part of whatever Jewish state would be carved out. Thus, the notion of transfer was a natural concommitant to the partition idea. Evidence sug gests that the proposal of Arab transfer that was ultimately made by the Royal Commission originated from, and had been secretly conveyed by, top Jewish Agency leaders, including Ben-Gurion, Shertok, and weizmann. As early as the Jewish Agency Executive meeting in October, Ben- Gurion had indicated his intention to raise the issue: “if the Peel Commission and the London government accept [the idea of transfer to Transjordan], we will remove the land problem from the agenda.’
Simha Flapan - The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities
Morris asserted that the onset of the fighting between Israel and the Arab armies that entered the country on the day the British Mandate ended, May 15, 1948, was the main reason for what he called the “Birth of the Palestinian refugee problem.” I have argued that it was not the war itself, since half of those who became refugees—hundreds of thousands of Palestinians—had been expelled before it had even commenced. Moreover, I claimed that the war was initiated by Israel in order to secure the historical opportunity to expel the Palestinians.19
The idea that the Palestinians left voluntarily is not the only false assumption associated with the 1948 war. There are three others that are often aired to explain away the events of that year. The first is that the Palestinians are to be blamed for what happened to them since they rejected the UN partition plan of November 1947. This allegation ignores the colonialist nature of the Zionist movement. What is clear is that the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians can in no way be justified as a “punishment” for their rejecting a UN peace plan that was devised without any consultation with the Palestinians themselves.
Ilan Pappe - Ten Myths About Israel - Ch 5
Under Occupation
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990’s, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.
morris doesn’t say that palestine belongs to the jews, he quite clearly states lots of people have lived there over the years mostly under muslim empires but also a jewish country that was ethnically cleansed by the romans
oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide
Like I said, he is a Zionist who justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, as you can clearly see in both the previous quote and the one I just sent to your other comment.
oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide
Again, as I pointed out in the last section of the previous reply, “destroying Israel” has always meant ending the Apartheid and Settler Colonialist Occupation of Zionism. It has never meant the Genocide of Jewish people nor Israelis. That is complete projection from the mentality of the occupiers who have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for more than 76 years.
here’s a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on
Just so you know, “Bild” is a german right wing magazine. Imagine fox news as a newspaper. They are well known to report false information to smear left wing initiatives and further hurt victims if they are left wing. Since the victims of police brutality here are apparently pro-palastine, Bild cannot be trusted to report accurately
The demonstration, which took place at Oranienplatz, reportedly remained peaceful until some began chanting anti-Israel slogans in Arabic, which is banned in Berlin.
the interpretations from the first poster of this article to everyone that has replied is so wildly incorrectly biassed against the german authorities and police to the extent that you compare them to nazis is astonishing
i think the violent fundamentalists are obviously yourselves
All languages other than German and English are banned at these protests in Berlin. It’s not only Arabic. Irish is also banned (see link below). Same goes for Hebrew (as per Hebrew speaking pro Palestine activists). And most likely any other language other than German or English would get instantly banned. This isn’t normal in a democracy. But sure, go find more excuses for the egregious attacks on our freedom of speech and assembly.
Is there any reason for protesters to use a language other than German to make their opinion heard? It’s even extended to include English to be inclusive of foreigners who do not have a constitutionally protected right to protest in Germany in the first place. (In case you don’t believe me, Article 8 GG says “all Germans”, not “everyone”).
You know what the German left would do when he police tried to outlaw Italian at protests? a) challenge it in court because banning “alerta, alerta, antifascista” has no warrant, everyone knows what it means and it’s not like anyone would know any more Itanian to chant (short of “latte machiato spaghetti stronzo basta”) and b) not use it while that thing is in the courts. Choose your battles.
I cannot explain the ignorance of local mores that certain pro-Palestine groups are displaying in Germany as anything else but a false flag attack on the Palestinian cause. Because there’s no way in hell people can be so willfully dense, be so unable to work within the local conditions. Conditions which offer plenty of freedom if you don’t, at every opportunity, try to piss people off for no gain whatsoever. I’m trying to employ “never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity” but it’s getting damn hard the more those certain groups steadfastly refuse to learn, and even refuse advise regarding their tactics.
the languages are banned only if they cannot monitor hate speech, which they are very tough on in germany and happens to be all too common at these protests
you can still express yourself freely in german or english
And from the paragraph you cited: “Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account…insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently.”
They say shit like this even when there are hours of video demonstrating otherwise. I’m sure afterward they’ll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.
Pro-Palestine protestors really seem to get the pigs into a rage. They must believe that they’ll be able to get away with it.
And so far, it looks like they have. Right now, in the U.S., the Trumplicans (and Leon) are revoking the visas of international students who took part in protests to support Palestine. I’d guess for every couple we hear about there are a hundred more we don’t.
It seems strange the countries all over the world are using similar violence against anyone protesting the Zionist genocide.
All that shit is happening in Germany, too.
From the article
Police intervened when the protesters allegedly violated the restriction, triggering a confrontation, Bild reported. As tensions escalated, demonstrators reportedly threw bottles and clashed with officers, leaving at least one officer injured. Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account, stating that 28 people were detained and insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently.
In Germany, “Pro-palestine” protestors usually try to hijack left-wing demonstrations for unrelated topics. Saw that many times myself, and get super sad about it all the time.
It is really tough if you are out demonstrating fascism, and all of a sudden people with antisemitic symbols stand behind you, waving their watermelons and god knows what
Israel is a fascist apartheid state committing genocide. Police violently cracking down on anti-israel / anti-zionist speech is also fascist. You are conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism, which is genuine anti-semitism. Anti-zionism calls for the end to genocide and for Palestinians emancipation.
Zionism is about Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of native Palestinians, it is not reflective of Judaism nor is it representative of Jewish people. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as it falsely attributes the actions of Israel to all Jewish people.
Zionism is anti-Semitic at it’s core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it’s inception as a colonialist movement.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
here’s a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv8F4NLr4E0
Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well
Gaza Infographics
Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities - Simha Flapan
Documentaries
A shocking insight into Israel’s Apartheid | Roadmap to Apartheid | Full Film
Palestine 101 with Abby Martin
Life in Occupied PALESTINE by Anna Baltzer
How Israeli Apartheid Destroyed My Hometown
The Gaza Ghetto Uprising
Anti-Semitism, Weaponized.
One year of Israel’s war on Gaza: Al Jazeera special coverage
Palestine 1920: The Other Side of the Palestinian Story | Al Jazeera World Documentary
any proof he’s a zionist, or just doesn’t agree with you
Did you not even bother to read the paragraphs I quoted? You have no clue what you’re talking about
honestly don’t see this in all that stuff you copy pasted
you conflate zionist with the mania of this last war, zionist used to just mean jews that want their own country
morris acknowledges the bad that was done in the war that led to the naqba, but saw it as the only option where the palestinians would never settle for peace and hadn’t done for 20 years
depends on the kind of anti-zionism
“destroy israel” for example is genocidal
palestinians and israeli’s have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years
That’s completely false and a common hasbara talking point to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The Concept of Transfer in Zionist Political Thought goes back to 1882
Partition
Under Occupation
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter
The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990’s, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
morris doesn’t say that palestine belongs to the jews, he quite clearly states lots of people have lived there over the years mostly under muslim empires but also a jewish country that was ethnically cleansed by the romans
oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide
Like I said, he is a Zionist who justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, as you can clearly see in both the previous quote and the one I just sent to your other comment.
Again, as I pointed out in the last section of the previous reply, “destroying Israel” has always meant ending the Apartheid and Settler Colonialist Occupation of Zionism. It has never meant the Genocide of Jewish people nor Israelis. That is complete projection from the mentality of the occupiers who have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for more than 76 years.
lol from the Hamas Covenant 1988
destroy and obliterate could easily be interpreted as defensive, progressive action, let’s all just get along, right?
here’s a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv8F4NLr4E0
the palestinian “protest” has been injected into everything possible to influence a lot of things
courtesy of one of their sponsors; a mr putin from moscow, who ironically is best friends with a mr trump from NY - one of their worst enemies
Just so you know, “Bild” is a german right wing magazine. Imagine fox news as a newspaper. They are well known to report false information to smear left wing initiatives and further hurt victims if they are left wing. Since the victims of police brutality here are apparently pro-palastine, Bild cannot be trusted to report accurately
was good enough for dailytelegraph.co.nz (the linked source) but if you find any other sources please link
You might want to be careful trusting that site:
https://www.webworm.co/p/badnews
i’m happy to shit on that site and take it all back if it turns out to be junk reporting
it was just the article posted by the OP
“The restriction” being: speaking any language other than german or english at a protest.
I think this should be spelled out. That’s how nazi this is
the interpretations from the first poster of this article to everyone that has replied is so wildly incorrectly biassed against the german authorities and police to the extent that you compare them to nazis is astonishing
i think the violent fundamentalists are obviously yourselves
All languages other than German and English are banned at these protests in Berlin. It’s not only Arabic. Irish is also banned (see link below). Same goes for Hebrew (as per Hebrew speaking pro Palestine activists). And most likely any other language other than German or English would get instantly banned. This isn’t normal in a democracy. But sure, go find more excuses for the egregious attacks on our freedom of speech and assembly.
https://www.theleftberlin.com/dangerous-language-bans-at-pro-palestine-camp-in-berlin/
Is there any reason for protesters to use a language other than German to make their opinion heard? It’s even extended to include English to be inclusive of foreigners who do not have a constitutionally protected right to protest in Germany in the first place. (In case you don’t believe me, Article 8 GG says “all Germans”, not “everyone”).
You know what the German left would do when he police tried to outlaw Italian at protests? a) challenge it in court because banning “alerta, alerta, antifascista” has no warrant, everyone knows what it means and it’s not like anyone would know any more Itanian to chant (short of “latte machiato spaghetti stronzo basta”) and b) not use it while that thing is in the courts. Choose your battles.
I cannot explain the ignorance of local mores that certain pro-Palestine groups are displaying in Germany as anything else but a false flag attack on the Palestinian cause. Because there’s no way in hell people can be so willfully dense, be so unable to work within the local conditions. Conditions which offer plenty of freedom if you don’t, at every opportunity, try to piss people off for no gain whatsoever. I’m trying to employ “never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity” but it’s getting damn hard the more those certain groups steadfastly refuse to learn, and even refuse advise regarding their tactics.
the languages are banned only if they cannot monitor hate speech, which they are very tough on in germany and happens to be all too common at these protests
you can still express yourself freely in german or english
And from the paragraph you cited: “Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account…insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently.”
They say shit like this even when there are hours of video demonstrating otherwise. I’m sure afterward they’ll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.
They say shit like this
demonstrators reportedly threw bottles and clashed with officers, leaving at least one officer injured
before they violently arrest you
From the article it seems like bottles started flying after they started beating people. But of course it’s the protestors’ fault, always is
nope, they started racist chants which meant the police attempted arrests which caused the projectiles