Vice President Kamala Harris' refusal to break with the Biden administration's support for Israel's assault on Gaza cost her millions of potential Democratic voters. Will the Democratic Party learn from this and listen to its voters who want leaders to oppose sending more weapons to Israel? #Gaza #ElectionImpact
And now America is paying the price for a bunch of people who thought that they would somehow stop genocide abroad by enabling the man who wants genocide domestically.
Didn’t Trump suggest nuking Palestine? No matter what these people say, it all just sounds like they were looking for any excuse to support Baby Huey while feeling better about themselves for doing so. If it wasn’t Palestine, it would’ve been something else.
Precisely. Harris enabled her opponent to win by having a weak stance on Israel. She handed him the keys to the White House, as the article clearly describes, by not standing up and speaking out against genocide.
She literally stood and spoke out against genocide at the DNC. Granted, it came off a little soft but, she very clearly said that her administration does not condone genocide and that they would use various strategies to put pressure on Israel, while “maintaining strategic military alliances in the region”. It was a tactful/“politically-savvy” way to say it, but she did speak on it and promise action. I may be wrong, but I don’t think we can say the same for Donny.
I’m sorry, but putting the entirety of the blame on Harris when there were plenty of people who didn’t care whether or not a rapist fascist dictator got into power and plenty of others specifically telling people not to vote for Harris is ludicrous.
There is so much blame to go around and people like you who just blame Harris now make me think that you were part of the group telling people to absolutely not vote for Harris no matter what. People like you are why I have to flee for my daughter’s safety.
Oh, okay. Well you know Flying Squid better than I do because I didn’t think he even implied that candidates were entitled to votes.
Please continue and tell me more about this Flying Squid fellow because I really thought I could get inside his head and figure out what he was thinking.
You’re certainly not because that is not a recognized psychological disorder, but the issue here is that I thought I was Flying Squid, but you’re telling me Flying Squid is saying things that I definitely did not in any way even imply.
So who am I?
By the way, can you please quote where Flying Squid said a candidate is entitled to votes? Because I’ve read everything Flying Squid has said in this thread and I have yet to find it.
(This is where you refuse to quote what you claim was said if this plays out how these things normally do.)
You won’t have a hard time arguing that Donald Trump is a massive piece of garbage, but your comment presumes that Kamala Harris and the Democratic party are entitled to votes.
You’ll find there is a large portion of the Democratic base who are not motivated to vote for a pro-genocide candidate, which is exactly the entire point of this poll. The Democratic party needs to do better and stop fighting against the progressive wing of the party if they ever want to regain the trust of working class people. At a bare minimum you would expect them to respect international law.
Then again, they’re doing exactly what AIPAC and defense industry paid them to do, same as the Republicans.
My comment presumes her opponent was a rapist fascist dictator. But that wasn’t enough for Americans.
And the Democratic Party isn’t going to do better because it will only exist in name only from now on. You and others got what you wanted. Now you’re going to have to live with the consequences. If you live.
As someone who voted for her, if you could stop blaming others for having strong feelings regarding who they give their vote, that’d be very chill. At this point I am pretty comfortable telling you that you’re causing more division and strife than you are helping. And, as far as I last understood, you’re out of here, right? If you could do me a favor and stop demotivating those of us trying to stick it out and fix it, I’d take it as a kindness.
You know what I would have taken as a kindness? Not having a bunch of queerphobic bigots get put into power.
No, sorry, I won’t stop giving my opinion about the mistake America has made that has forced me to drop my entire life and pack everything into a couple of suitcases so that I can ensure my daughter is not taken away from me so that you can feel more motivated.
Abso-fucking-lutely not. My life has been destroyed by this. I will never see my elderly mother in person again. So you and anyone else who want me to shut up about the dire mistake America made are just out of luck. It will not happen.
(Gotta wonder if you would tell a refugee from another country where they had to flee to shut up about it because they were causing divisions back there.)
I just want to preface this that as a trans person I totally understand your fears and agree they are completely valid - however I also want to make you aware of your relative privilege (being able to pack up and leave the US) - compared to almost all Palestinians that cannot do the same on top of also not being able to see their parents - not because of immigration but because they’ve been blown up by American bombs.
I just want to point out that by blaming voters for not compromising on their values around human rights (instead of blaming the DNC for enabling genocide) - you’re showcasing that you personally care more about your child’s domestic rights being threatened than Palestinian children being killed - yes both are atrocious but I would hope that you can see how being killed right now should take precedence over likely (but avoidable) suffering down the line.
Instead you’re saying that your daughter’s safety is more important than middle eastern children dying (which for you personally is valid) - but you can’t claim that everyone else should care about your child’s potential struggles in the future vs other’s children’s deaths right now.
I just hope you will now become more understanding of the Palestinian struggle (as a refugee yourself) and will fight for the DNC to recognize both your rights and theirs as you now more viscerally understand how you’re both in the same boat.
Excuse me? How the fuck much more understanding do you want me to be? I’ve written hundreds of letters and made dozens of phone calls on behalf of JVP to try to stop American politicians from supporting Israel. Literally hours and hours of my time.
What the fuck have you done other than berate people on the internet for not caring as much as you do?
This doesn’t need to turn into a pissing contest as I see you care about the Palestinian cause.
I too have spent countless hours protesting on the ground, being threatened and followed by police, helping comrades deal with the abysmal legal system and some other things I don’t feel comfortable admitting on a public forum - but I don’t see this as justification to blame others for the voting choices they’ve made - I’ve used my privilege to help as much as I can - not because that allows me to “berate people on the internet for not caring as much” but because it’s the only thing that helps me sleep at night.
I’m glad you’re involved in the cause - I just wanted to highlight how we should have class solidarity against the ruling class and not divide ourselves based on who’s not voted for whom as if that’s what makes it or breaks it.
I’m glad you’re involved in the cause - I just wanted to highlight how we should have class solidarity against the ruling class and not divide ourselves based on who’s voted for whom as if that’s what makes it or breaks it.
Well then you did that poorly, because this was an accusation that I did not care enough and do not do enough when you did not actually know:
I just hope you will now become more understanding of the Palestinian struggle (as a refugee yourself) and will fight for the DNC to recognize both your rights and theirs as you now more viscerally understand how you’re both in the same boat.
So maybe reflect on how pointing fingers and making assumptions is not the best way to build solidarity.
Not only was she pro-genocide, but also an anti-immigration, pro-corporate, pro-police, and “maintain the status quo” candidate. I don’t know a single measure that one could use to make her seem left-wing.
The DNC did the same with Biden and Clinton and nearly lost both of those times too. It’s almost as if they want the Republicans to control everything if it means they don’t have to actually advance leftist policy that is good for the country. Even Obama’s crowning achievement was a Republican drafted healthcare plan that cemented the private medical insurance model into law.
And now America is paying the price for a bunch of people who thought that they would somehow stop genocide abroad by enabling the man who wants genocide domestically.
Didn’t Trump suggest nuking Palestine? No matter what these people say, it all just sounds like they were looking for any excuse to support Baby Huey while feeling better about themselves for doing so. If it wasn’t Palestine, it would’ve been something else.
Precisely. Harris enabled her opponent to win by having a weak stance on Israel. She handed him the keys to the White House, as the article clearly describes, by not standing up and speaking out against genocide.
She literally stood and spoke out against genocide at the DNC. Granted, it came off a little soft but, she very clearly said that her administration does not condone genocide and that they would use various strategies to put pressure on Israel, while “maintaining strategic military alliances in the region”. It was a tactful/“politically-savvy” way to say it, but she did speak on it and promise action. I may be wrong, but I don’t think we can say the same for Donny.
I’m sorry, but putting the entirety of the blame on Harris when there were plenty of people who didn’t care whether or not a rapist fascist dictator got into power and plenty of others specifically telling people not to vote for Harris is ludicrous.
There is so much blame to go around and people like you who just blame Harris now make me think that you were part of the group telling people to absolutely not vote for Harris no matter what. People like you are why I have to flee for my daughter’s safety.
Are you that dense? You’re literally trying to blame voters for Kamala’s support of genocide.
You get a big nope. Nope out of here with that noise.
Can you provide some sort of evidence that Harris supports genocide?
I am doing no such thing and that’s a ridiculous lie to tell.
That’s literally what you’re doing. Candidates are not entitled to votes.
Oh, okay. Well you know Flying Squid better than I do because I didn’t think he even implied that candidates were entitled to votes.
Please continue and tell me more about this Flying Squid fellow because I really thought I could get inside his head and figure out what he was thinking.
Good luck with that, as of now he seems to have multiple personality disorder, but I’m no doctor 🤷♂️
You’re certainly not because that is not a recognized psychological disorder, but the issue here is that I thought I was Flying Squid, but you’re telling me Flying Squid is saying things that I definitely did not in any way even imply.
So who am I?
By the way, can you please quote where Flying Squid said a candidate is entitled to votes? Because I’ve read everything Flying Squid has said in this thread and I have yet to find it.
(This is where you refuse to quote what you claim was said if this plays out how these things normally do.)
Edit: called it.
Now now, he ALSO wants genocide abroad.
He always did.
Yeah, I don’t know how to read this except “voters a fucking morons, obviously.”
Nothing new there but it didn’t stop Democratic candidates from doing what they needed to win elections in the past
I mean at least for now he seems to have followed up on that particular promise.
You won’t have a hard time arguing that Donald Trump is a massive piece of garbage, but your comment presumes that Kamala Harris and the Democratic party are entitled to votes.
You’ll find there is a large portion of the Democratic base who are not motivated to vote for a pro-genocide candidate, which is exactly the entire point of this poll. The Democratic party needs to do better and stop fighting against the progressive wing of the party if they ever want to regain the trust of working class people. At a bare minimum you would expect them to respect international law. Then again, they’re doing exactly what AIPAC and defense industry paid them to do, same as the Republicans.
My comment presumes her opponent was a rapist fascist dictator. But that wasn’t enough for Americans.
And the Democratic Party isn’t going to do better because it will only exist in name only from now on. You and others got what you wanted. Now you’re going to have to live with the consequences. If you live.
As someone who voted for her, if you could stop blaming others for having strong feelings regarding who they give their vote, that’d be very chill. At this point I am pretty comfortable telling you that you’re causing more division and strife than you are helping. And, as far as I last understood, you’re out of here, right? If you could do me a favor and stop demotivating those of us trying to stick it out and fix it, I’d take it as a kindness.
You know what I would have taken as a kindness? Not having a bunch of queerphobic bigots get put into power.
No, sorry, I won’t stop giving my opinion about the mistake America has made that has forced me to drop my entire life and pack everything into a couple of suitcases so that I can ensure my daughter is not taken away from me so that you can feel more motivated.
Abso-fucking-lutely not. My life has been destroyed by this. I will never see my elderly mother in person again. So you and anyone else who want me to shut up about the dire mistake America made are just out of luck. It will not happen.
(Gotta wonder if you would tell a refugee from another country where they had to flee to shut up about it because they were causing divisions back there.)
I just want to preface this that as a trans person I totally understand your fears and agree they are completely valid - however I also want to make you aware of your relative privilege (being able to pack up and leave the US) - compared to almost all Palestinians that cannot do the same on top of also not being able to see their parents - not because of immigration but because they’ve been blown up by American bombs.
I just want to point out that by blaming voters for not compromising on their values around human rights (instead of blaming the DNC for enabling genocide) - you’re showcasing that you personally care more about your child’s domestic rights being threatened than Palestinian children being killed - yes both are atrocious but I would hope that you can see how being killed right now should take precedence over likely (but avoidable) suffering down the line.
Instead you’re saying that your daughter’s safety is more important than middle eastern children dying (which for you personally is valid) - but you can’t claim that everyone else should care about your child’s potential struggles in the future vs other’s children’s deaths right now.
I just hope you will now become more understanding of the Palestinian struggle (as a refugee yourself) and will fight for the DNC to recognize both your rights and theirs as you now more viscerally understand how you’re both in the same boat.
Excuse me? How the fuck much more understanding do you want me to be? I’ve written hundreds of letters and made dozens of phone calls on behalf of JVP to try to stop American politicians from supporting Israel. Literally hours and hours of my time.
What the fuck have you done other than berate people on the internet for not caring as much as you do?
This doesn’t need to turn into a pissing contest as I see you care about the Palestinian cause.
I too have spent countless hours protesting on the ground, being threatened and followed by police, helping comrades deal with the abysmal legal system and some other things I don’t feel comfortable admitting on a public forum - but I don’t see this as justification to blame others for the voting choices they’ve made - I’ve used my privilege to help as much as I can - not because that allows me to “berate people on the internet for not caring as much” but because it’s the only thing that helps me sleep at night.
I’m glad you’re involved in the cause - I just wanted to highlight how we should have class solidarity against the ruling class and not divide ourselves based on who’s not voted for whom as if that’s what makes it or breaks it.
Well then you did that poorly, because this was an accusation that I did not care enough and do not do enough when you did not actually know:
So maybe reflect on how pointing fingers and making assumptions is not the best way to build solidarity.
Noted.
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Not only was she pro-genocide, but also an anti-immigration, pro-corporate, pro-police, and “maintain the status quo” candidate. I don’t know a single measure that one could use to make her seem left-wing.
The DNC did the same with Biden and Clinton and nearly lost both of those times too. It’s almost as if they want the Republicans to control everything if it means they don’t have to actually advance leftist policy that is good for the country. Even Obama’s crowning achievement was a Republican drafted healthcare plan that cemented the private medical insurance model into law.
Fucking idiots will be the first in the camps here