With the widespread support for Steam/Valve on this forum because of their contributions to making Linux gaming easier, I’m now confused as to why people here are using Linux in the first place.
I personally do so out of support for FOSS software, the customizability, and actual ownership of software, which I thought were most people’s primary reasons for using any Linux distro. Steam seems antithetical to all of these. The software in the first place became popular as a form of DRM, and it gets publishers to use it for the allowance of DRM on the platform. The Steam client has the absolute minimum customizability. Your account can be banned at any point and you can lose access to many of the games you have downloaded.
Whenever I game on Linux I just use folders to sort my game library and purchase any games I want to play on itch.io or GoG. On my Linux PC I stay away from clients like Steam because I want a PC that works offline, and will work if all of my accounts were banned. It’s more of a backup PC.
Since Steam has every characteristic of Windows, 0 customizability, DRM, plenty of games that are spyware, I see no reason to really not use Windows instead for the much easier time I can have playing games.
Yes, I prefer many of the features of Linux distros, but using a client like Steam defeats the purpose of them. Ridiculous storage requirements due to unoptimized dependencies, having to have a background client running for some games and wasting resources on doing so.
So, why use Linux and support Steam, or use Linux and use Steam?
I think a better title for your post would be, “Why do you use Steam?”
Many steam games don’t even have DRM and most games only require Steam to be present and not necessarily online.
The company as a whole is very stable and doesn’t perform any overly wild anti user behaviour. And they’re big supporters and developers of Linux.
If you want to install games that are spyware that’s totally up to you. And I suppose that’s really the point.
Instead of turning into hyper capitalist assholes like every other company, steam just leaves us the fuck alone while providing great great games at great prices. Also no sexual harrassment coverups or buyouts.
Steam just leaves us the fuck alone and let’s you focus purely on the game.
Many steam games don’t even have DRM and most games only require Steam to be present and not necessarily online.
Even then there are Steam emulators. If OP really wanted to they could just download the games from Steam and use that.
It’s kind of like using a Games For Windows Live fix or a no CD crack in Lutris for older games.
And they’re big supporters and developers of Linux
Not looking to disagree, but do you have a source on the “developers” part?
They fund the development of:
- DXVK (D3D9-11 wrapper)
- Wine/Proton (Codeweavers and independent contractors). Proton is open source even if it’s mostly Steam specific.
- Mesa RADV (Vulkan AMD driver)
- The Linux kernel
- KDE Plasma
- gamescope
- HDR/colour management
That’s just off the top of my head. I’ll admit that some of this work comes from 1 or 2 single paid developers that have their hands in many things, but that’s not a bad thing.
Steam is made by Valve, and Valve, dispite their many failings, have shown a very strong commitment to FOSS.
Their contributions to Proton have played a massive part in making Linux a viable platform for gaming. Without them, Linux gaming would be stuck back 10 years at least. Back to the dark days of naked Wine and fighting with configs for hours just to hope to launch a single non-native game.
Valve has also locked themselves in with the Steam Deck. By creating a fresh hardware platform based almost completely on a FOSS software stack and by making it open, moddable, repairable, and upgradeable, they have made it very tough for themselves to break away to a proprietary solution further down the line.
All these things cause me to trust them quite a bit. Make no mistake, I’m committed to FOSS first. If and when Valve goes down the enshitification path, (once Gabe dies, sells out, or otherwise passes the torch), I will move off of the platform and only use FOSS games/software and resources like Lutris, Bottles, GoG, etc.
But until that dark day, I will support Valve at least passively. because by committing to so much development towards FOSS platforms, they are locking themselves into it and proving to us that they aren’t just giving lip service to the FOSS community.
I wish Steam was FOSS, I wish Steam wasnt DRM itself, but in a world where things are mostly grey, I personally feel comfortable currently supporting them with my money.
Because I want my devices to do what I want, not what Microsoft wants.
I didn’t really have a problem booting windows to play games occasionally until Microsoft decided that my machine must shut down without me telling it to. You can only lose so much in-progress work before it gets tiresome.
Beyond that I’d rather support community driven open source projects, especially my operating system, than keep giving Microsoft my attention to sell.
So, why use Linux
Because I prefer it in functionally every way to Windows. I prefer (when feasible) to use open source and/or FLOSS software. I am vastly more familiar with Linux than I am Windows on a technical level. I generally dislike most things about Windows.
and use Steam
It works, it’s convenient, they have a generally good track record of not screwing over users.
I prefer many of the features of Linux distros, but using a client like Steam defeats the purpose of them.
That is a pretty serious leap in logic. You’re welcome to not like Steam on a technical, moral, and/or philosophical level but at the end of the day it is a single application and saying that using Linux while also using Steam “defeats the purpose of Linux” is ridiculous. Linux is an Operating System, it is meant to assist the user in computing. If the user is using Linux to compute they are fulfilling the exact purpose of Linux, that being an open and free operating system to be used by any who desire it.
I swapped because I did not like the direction that Microsoft is taking Windows. It felt like just more tracking, more ads, and less control with each iteration. I always felt like Linux was better, but did not meet my need for gaming. The steam deck came out just a few months before I switched, giving me the confidence that I would still be able to play the games that I enjoy.
I was using Linux before there was a Steam, and I’m still here. You speak as if the “default state of being” is being on Windows.
Disregarding that, why would a single launcher/client/whatever dictate what OS I use? What I enjoy while using steam is not the openness of steam, what I enjoy is the freedom of choice on my home turf. I enjoy living in an age where I can boot up my trusty Linux rig, finish my work, and contemplate three or four launchers before picking one and facing choice paralysis while picking from hundreds of games (yes I’m very excessive and haven’t even finished 0.01% of them) that actually run like a charm.
This is a reality I love and celebrate. This is the year of the Linux desktop for me.
I don’t love the Steam store, but I love Valve, because they made all of this possible. Even if all of the above is incidental in their pursuit to build their steamdeck. At least they did it the right way by contributing back upstream to the FOSS community at large.
Short answer: Sure, Steam is far from perfect, but Valve also maintains and develops Proton which is completely open source.
@netchami @XenoStare I feel like devs who make games for windows and apple should use the open source tools to port their games to Linux, I.e steam. There needs to be some formate where we can play games on the deck that are deck compatible without steam. Hell, without heroic, too.
What you described is not a Linux-specific problem, it’s the exact same on Windows. What major games nowadays are available outside of Steam, Origin, Battle.net or Epic Games? Practically none. (Except maybe for Minecraft and Runescape)
Steam/Valve investing in Linux has thankfully made non-steam gaming on Linux better than ever! Proton and WINE have made it easy for the average Linux user to set up games from GoG, Humble Bundle, etc. without needing to beg a developer to release a shoddy port.
I switched for a few reason:
- I didn’t like Windows advertising to me on my desktop.
- Lemmy exposed me to a lot of options.
- I felt like if I had any issues, the community would assist, and they did.
Now that I have switched
- Pop!_os feels like home.
- Many of my games run BETTER on Linux.
- I know I will not be a product.
- I feel more secure
- It has been fun learning something new
- There are so many choices beyond iOS and Windows
- I wish I switched sooner.
Yeah. Having used Linux for quite some time, I’ve watched it slowly go from being the better option for geeks and nerds to just being the better option.
One of the biggest, most useful Linux tips is:
- use supported hardware
Don’t mess around forever trying to fix things that almost work. Get supported hardware instead. It’s worth it, and once it’s supported, usage is generally plug-and play - far more so than in Windows.
That aside, Linux won’t shove crap in your face, sell your data, mine your data, cause major problems for you, force you to do installations when you don’t want to (except Ubuntu’s Snap), nor will it degrade in install quality over one year to the point where you think you need a new computer.
Linux allows you to make a hardware investment, rather than driving you towards cycling out to the newest thing ASAP.
The old ThinkPads I have become media servers or home automation rigs. They sip power and chug along for years.
Windows bad, apple bad, Google bad
I disagree with your implication that using Steam on Linux makes it pointless to use Linux; I think that it is always better if you are able to replace some proprietary software in your life with freedom-respecting software even if you may still be using other proprietary software.
I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but the FSF does actually acknowledge that replacing all of the proprietary software that one uses can be an incredibly disruptive, difficult process, and they encourage users to embark on the journey of complete freedom one step at a time - check out their Freedom Ladder campaign.
Are you really curious or do you just want to hate on steam for paragraphs? Because I love FOSS too but I find your tone and post in general to be annoying and obtuse.
I’m genuinely curious about why someone would use/support Linux and then use/support Steam, and how people manage to conflate the two. I’ve already posted other paragraphs in other places complaining about Steam over the course of years so I’m alr.
I don’t see how it’s contradictory in any way
Liking FOSS and the ethos behind it doesn’t at all mean you are required to be a zealot who only accepts that. Further, your claim that gaming on Linux without proton is easy is just flat out wrong.
So, why use Linux and support Steam, or use Linux and use Steam?
Because Steam offers a good service. Almost as good as “hackers”.
The other problem is game developers that want DRM and blablabla.
Anyway honestly you sound a little bit way too pathethic. Maybe one day Steam just get’s out of Linux enviroment and goes with the “Steam OS” and you will lose every game you purchesed, but i doubt it because is a gaming platform, as many platforms as possible as much money comes in.
What is good about the service that is in any way similar to Linux, is my question. The two seem explicitly opposed in my eyes besides that Steam is using and therefore contributing to some Linux related projects.
It seems akin to supporting Microsoft for their implementation of WSL. MS also makes good some good products. They also have contributed. They are still anti-thetical to what I thought most Linux users want out of a company. Steam still seems anti-thetical to what I thought most Linux users wanted out of software.
@XenoStare @ZariZari yes, but some convenience is also good. In this case, being able to play windows games, as most of them are released for that platform, on linux without messing a lot with vanilla wine is a godsend. For now, it’s about getting people, game studios, etc, to notice us, even if only through the lense of the steamdeck verified badge. It’s only temporary I hope, but even if not, philosophi aside for a moment, it’s good that we can have more enjoyment than before.
@XenoStare @ZariZari this doesn’t make us evil, nor does it make valve good, they did it because they didn’t want to pay for windows licenses for all the steam decks they produce, simple as that, we’re collateral benefit. Not using entirely free software isn’t evil. Every moment we accuse one another of not being supporting enough, idealistic enough, etc, gives the monopolies an advantage because we’re squabeling pointlessly. This is what the pollitical left wing should understand as well.
