Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.
I’m 50-50 on this. Peaceful transition of power is about respecting the decision of the people. A reasonable reason to buck the peaceful transition would be if it didn’t align with the will of the people, but that will is so obfusicated and twisted that I can’t tell what it even is anymore. If you have an issue with the transition, you should have an issue with the process that got you there. Bucking only the transition isn’t attacking the issue, it’s throwing a tantrum because you lost.
A miscarriage of justice isn’t solved with a pardon, it needs systemic changes. The rules are wrong, and ignoring them sometimes won’t make things right. What I would respect is rebuilding the system to be more representative and less able to be twisted. Gerrymandering, conflicts of interest, voting availability, lobbying, voter knowledge, even the journalism industry as a whole; there are lots of huge problems out there, ignoring those resorting to an armed “nuh uh” at the last moment is stupid.
That said, installing a dictator has never gone well, and being petty and stupid is probably worth avoiding that. It’s probably worth quite a bit more really. So I wouldn’t like it, but I really couldn’t complain.
And if the people overthrew Hitler in 1933 would it be because they’re sore losers who lost? He went into power democratically elected. I think hindsight shows us that somebody should of tried to overthrow him to avoid all the horrible deaths caused by him.
Make no mistake. These christofascists will round up people like me. I’m a visibly queer woman and I can’t keep my mouth shut or try to feminize myself more to blend in. They’re gonna give me no choice but to defend myself. After reviewing history, I vote offense rather than defense this time around.
By that same logic, should president Truman have been ousted after WWII? Should the Canadian trucker convoy have torched parliament? Should all governments decend into chaos as soon as any group doesn’t like them?
I’m not saying this specific turn of events shouldn’t be resisted, I’m looking for better logic, a reason why the rules shouldn’t apply here. Something like the overt and immediate threat to people’s wellbeing and freedom. It doesn’t matter how good or bad this administration is going to be according to an individual, it matters that they’re going to cause a lot of unnecessary harm to a lot of people. Subjective opinions are how we got here.
Maybe we’re past the point of that mattering, perhaps a critical mass of people just want to cause harm and a lot of fucked up shit is inevitable, but I do hope to keep a sense of ethics and justice to rebuild when the fight for existence ends. I don’t want to become the uncritical extremists we’re fighting against.
By that logic you’d respect the democrats if they overtook the capital as well? Republicans doing something is a horrible reason to do anything.
Oh my god, I’d have so much respect for them if they did that. They won’t. They’re going to gladly hand over power to fascists because taking the high road is always the right thing to do to liberals. That and tone policing anyone who suggests something stronger than marching around with signs ineffectually.
I’m 50-50 on this. Peaceful transition of power is about respecting the decision of the people. A reasonable reason to buck the peaceful transition would be if it didn’t align with the will of the people, but that will is so obfusicated and twisted that I can’t tell what it even is anymore. If you have an issue with the transition, you should have an issue with the process that got you there. Bucking only the transition isn’t attacking the issue, it’s throwing a tantrum because you lost.
A miscarriage of justice isn’t solved with a pardon, it needs systemic changes. The rules are wrong, and ignoring them sometimes won’t make things right. What I would respect is rebuilding the system to be more representative and less able to be twisted. Gerrymandering, conflicts of interest, voting availability, lobbying, voter knowledge, even the journalism industry as a whole; there are lots of huge problems out there, ignoring those resorting to an armed “nuh uh” at the last moment is stupid.
That said, installing a dictator has never gone well, and being petty and stupid is probably worth avoiding that. It’s probably worth quite a bit more really. So I wouldn’t like it, but I really couldn’t complain.
And if the people overthrew Hitler in 1933 would it be because they’re sore losers who lost? He went into power democratically elected. I think hindsight shows us that somebody should of tried to overthrow him to avoid all the horrible deaths caused by him.
Make no mistake. These christofascists will round up people like me. I’m a visibly queer woman and I can’t keep my mouth shut or try to feminize myself more to blend in. They’re gonna give me no choice but to defend myself. After reviewing history, I vote offense rather than defense this time around.
By that same logic, should president Truman have been ousted after WWII? Should the Canadian trucker convoy have torched parliament? Should all governments decend into chaos as soon as any group doesn’t like them?
I’m not saying this specific turn of events shouldn’t be resisted, I’m looking for better logic, a reason why the rules shouldn’t apply here. Something like the overt and immediate threat to people’s wellbeing and freedom. It doesn’t matter how good or bad this administration is going to be according to an individual, it matters that they’re going to cause a lot of unnecessary harm to a lot of people. Subjective opinions are how we got here.
Maybe we’re past the point of that mattering, perhaps a critical mass of people just want to cause harm and a lot of fucked up shit is inevitable, but I do hope to keep a sense of ethics and justice to rebuild when the fight for existence ends. I don’t want to become the uncritical extremists we’re fighting against.
Pushing people to the brink of homelessness is violence. We’re overdue to fight back.
Agreed. While I realize I am making some fuss about being right, being left and able to try again is far more important.