I’ve been seeing this a lot lately. Lots of bandwagoning going on. It is what it is though. People are fallible and often just follow the herd instead of thinking.
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Like Reddit, Lemmy is full of hive mind individuals who like to confirm their bias.
Most people are emotional and when challenged find it easier to justify their position rather than consider that they are wrong. So yeah, people will argue shit just to argue it.
Damn did you drink a truth serum before writing that?
Yeah. Either way, most people are rationalising and reactive, not rational. If you try to tell someone eating meat is bad because factory farming is abhorrent, many people will defend their actions and avoid direct accountability rather than admit or consider the problems that they support.
Reddit had a lot of problems. Some of them were caused by having people as admins. Some were caused by having people as mods. Some were caused by having people as users.
Lemmy also has people as admins, mods, and users, so it will see many of the same problems.
Though Lemmy won’t necessarily turn into Reddit because it’s designed to have competition among the admins, so they are less likely to get a sense of “they don’t have a choice even if they don’t like what we’re doing”.
I’m looking forward to Lemmy growing and the freedom it provides. Being banned by rogue admins then to be unbanned then 3 months later being banned then unbanned, all with zero explanation was so irksome.
It still happens here, especially on .world.
A circlejerk community where facts are thrown out the window. Doesnt matter where its hosted, social media just going to keep doing what its doing.
It seems like there is at least one down vote for every comment that gets enough attention for a few upvotes. I assume there is someone here who just really likes downvoting.
That and, at least on Memmy mobile, you swipe right to upvote and swipe slightly further right to down vote. Also upvote color is orange and downvote color is blue, which is counter intuitive to me personally. So if I get a few downvotes on a comment I think is awesome, I just figure it was an accident and someone was trying to upvote me. Because I’m awesome and who would down vote me?
ETA: See?! 👇 Thanks for the attempted upvote, kind stranger!
Ugh the swiping… I need to find a different web app cause Voyager is so buggy about how far I need to swipe to do anything and I’m apparently not pixel perfect enough for it.
I’ve def seen it both ways, lots of this person/this thing is bad types of threads on here with tons of people agreeing while spewing out pure nonsense
Like this https://lemmy.world/comment/3213143
I think Elon is a fuckwit but come on use some common sense it’s nowhere near treason this person has legitimately no clue what they are talking about and it’s upvoted to shit
On the other hand I’ve commented about stuff on here and if I had said the same things on Reddit I would have gotten downvotes, comments deleted or banned, and instead the comments were upvoted instead.
Idgaf about upvotes or downvotes it’s just interesting to see what the majority of people think is reasonable and that’s the way they show it.
Yea I saw that and thought about commenting but figured it would of been hitting my head on a brick wall. It’s funny how people went from loving him to despising him all because they were told to because he brought Twitter
Uhh no I went to not liking him because it became more apparent he was a narcissistic man-child that didn’t like being said no to and, despite that being somewhat good in pushing some companies he owns to make incredible products that could have been done by anyone with the right push and access to modern technology, he spent his time wanting people to love him for everything he said even when it was a garbage submarine idea and decided to punish people who didn’t agree with him and focused on saving children’s lives.
If you are wrapped around twitter as your only comment on him your attention span is too short. There is plenty of other reasons to hate the guy and still reason to respect his investments
People doesn’t imply everyone bud, this was my anecdotal observation of Internet sentiments changing on Elon coincided with around the time of his Twitter purchase.
And I’m telling you the ball started rolling down that hill well before that and twitter just was an easy place to pick up more steam.
But there are plenty of people that started to hate on him just because he lied about delivery date on all his car models and the cyber truck. I saw one person swap when he had the intern come out in a spandex suit with a fake robot head on.
You are ascribing to much importance a social media site because it has a vocal community, you said they were told to hate on him and I’m informing you he made it easy to have an anti-audience, and anyone with an actual opinion on him likely cares about more than one dumb purchase
Right as someone who never cared about him as is a casual 30,000 ft observer it appears that it was the catalyst for distain for Elon to be main stream. Nothing about what I’m saying is disagreeing with you. Would you agree that the general consensus is that’s when people, “woke up” to Elon?
I think it’s when people who never heard of him or cared what he was doing became aware of his presence and it just expanded the size of the crowds that both love him and hate him.
I think it’s less than it didn’t reveal anything new about him but simply expanded the pool that couldn’t avoid hearing about him. I think this is just the result of him attention seeking and it working. But I do agree that people who cared about Twitter and didn’t care before likely started hating him. But God I hope it’s for more than something petty like that.
You said initially that they were told to hate him for twitter and I disagree that anyone told people to hate him for that but simply people that had plenty of reason to had more people hearing his name than before and we could talk about his actual shittiness
Cars bad. Upvotes plz!
I can only imagine they meant 60% of the front view of the house. Otherwise that just seems insane.
But the problem is, words mean things. A lot of people unfortunately, put the wrong words down - and they think internally that it makes sense, but there is context missing in the words they put down. I’ve had entire conversations that went on for days, only for me to be 20 threads deep, and the person say “I mentioned that!!”, and I ask for them to show me where…only for them to realize they’ve been angry this whole time over something they assumed I was ignoring or misrepresenting. Turns out, they just simply internalized whatever it was, and didn’t write it.
We are entirely on the same page
square feet must look funny
It’s interesting you’re proving your point by your own post being upvoted right now.
The initial number of 42% isn’t that far off of reality. My own garage/shop is 36% right now. And I will at some point add onto it. Right now it is 25’x32’ and I would like another 20’ on it. Then it would be 25’x52’ and 48%. And I live right in town, on a regular 1/4 acre lot.
There are defintely houses in Wisconsin here that are at 60%. I can go on realtor.com right now and find properties with large pole sheds and garage spaces that account for 60%.
I don’t see any claims of majority, just that it can happen. And it definitely does, unless you don’t consider steel frame buildings and pole sheds, but why wouldn’t you? Here is one example, and another example, and another example, but I could find plenty of others. Just go on realtor.com search Wisconsin and set garage spaces to 3+ and maximum home size to 2250 sq feet and you will see plenty of examples of 60% and even greater.
Another one. Another one. Okay. I’m done now because I’m starting to get garage envy looking at some of these.
I don’t know if I’m supposed to upvote you because I like your comment or downvote you for being right.
Use one instance for the upvote, and one instance for the downvote, and then tell everyone Drew Carrie was right, the points don’t matter.
They never mattered. Mostly.
Also, I wish votes weren’t a thing. I think they miss the point.
Excellent point. The initial intent of my squabble wasn’t trying to deny that counter-examples exist, just that when comparing 100 houses to 100 apartments, that there seemed to be losses in living space for the apartment (law of averages and whatnot).
I had made another comment on that /c/FuckCars thread that calculated that if all of the homes had 1-car garages (which is not uncommon for a lot of dense low-density suburbs), then the homes would be 1740 SqFt with the garage / 1500 SqFt Livable, and the apartments would be 1009 SqFt livable. So a 33% loss of livable space in the image with what I would consider a reasonable assumption.
Fair enough, but that is not discernible from the post. You’re highlighting what they are saying, and all they are saying is, “Sometimes, the garage is more than 60% of the whole house.” And you are implying with this post that it is factually incorrect, when it is in fact true.
unless you don’t consider steel frame buildings and pole sheds, but why wouldn’t you?
You do not, in fact, count those buildings towards your houses square footage. Doing so would open yourself up to all sorts of liability.
Covered, enclosed porches can only be included if heated and using the same system as the rest of the house. Garages, pool houses, guest houses, or any rooms that require you to leave the finished area of the main house to gain access are not counted in the square footage of a house. source
The only common situations in which the exact size of a home may be legally important would be:
- For tax appraisal purposes
- For qualifying for a certain mortgage or home equity loan
- If a buyer has already bought, or at least has signed a contract on a home, and now claims that fraud was committed because the home is not as large as advertised. source
For further considerations of those that are interested (ANSI Draft, figure 1, page 6, outside source as the real ansi website is just atrocious to navigate and I’m not gonna dox myself by loading up local code.)
As shown, the upper-level plan has an open foyer and a protruding window that does not extend to the floor; neither area contributes to the square footage of the upper level. The calculated finished square footage of the entry level does not include the protruding fireplace, covered patio, garage, or unfinished laundry. The finished area of the basement is counted toward the below- grade finished square footage in its entirety, including the area under the stairs that descend from the entry level. The area of the unfinished utility room is calculated by using the method prescribed in the standard but is not included in the below-grade finished square footage.
All that aside, you’re slapping a 25’x52’ shed onto your 1/4 acre property? That’s almost 20% of your land use not including lot encroachment setback, drainage, and basic driveway/building infrastructure. It’s your property so definitely do as you wish, but to think this is a common practice or a desirable thing outside of niche hobbyists or being used for work related activities/storage is nonsense. Neighborhood flooding, no natural green spaces for habitats, it all sounds like a horrible dystopia on your mini-compound.
You do not, in fact, count those buildings towards your houses square footage. Doing so would open yourself up to all sorts of liability.
You don’t count garage spaces as square footage of a house either, so what is your point? If he’s comparing garage space footage to living quarter footage, then you should also include pole sheds into that equation. Fucking think about it… use the context of this conversation, and attempt to apply a little critical thinking.
All that aside, you’re slapping a 25’x52’ shed onto your 1/4 acre property? That’s almost 20% of your land use not including lot encroachment setback, drainage, and basic driveway/building infrastructure. It’s your property so definitely do as you wish, but to think this is a common practice or a desirable thing outside of niche hobbyists or being used for work related activities/storage is nonsense.
No, not adding a shed, extending my garage/shop. It has steel siding, nice windows, fully insulated 6 inch walls finished with osb on the inside, ceiling with tons of lighting, a ceiling mounted hot dawg furnace that takes it from 20F to 60F in literally 10 minutes, and perfect concrete with a drain.
Neighborhood flooding, no natural green spaces for habitats, it all sounds like a horrible dystopia on your mini-compound.
A lot of people use their garages for other things than just storing vehicles. Feel free to take a look at my YouTube videos to see how nice my garage/shop is setup now. And how nice my fenced in backyard looks, and how the garage doesn’t take away from it, nor would adding the 20’ onto the back of it. And how nicely this and my house all sit on this property. Then you can stop talking out of your ass, thanks buddy! Again, this OP has really been proving his point in a roundabout way, a lot of people in here like you talking out of their asses and getting upvotes.
Nice to see you showing your ass on a pedantic post like this.
outside of niche hobbyists or being used for work related activities/storage is nonsense
oh look, you fit the exact description I referred to! The context of this conversation is about a mass land development, try to fucking think about it.
No, not adding a shed, extending my garage/shop… perfect concrete with a drain.
perfect concrete?.. you do know a drain has to lead somewhere right? Into the surrounding area which if it was all developed like you’ve done would cause problems. “Slapping” refers to adding on or new but I see I hit a nerve talking about your “bestest shed”. Would be interesting to see the videos but I try not to support creators who are assholes and your descriptive reply does nothing for the conversation. Again, you’re helping prove the point that a few anecdotal observations isn’t the norm or recommended but seems to get upvotes. Continue arguing on though, love to see the hot gas pouring out of more than a hawt dog furnace.
Into the surrounding area which if it was all developed like you’ve done would cause problems.
You just can’t help but talk out of your ass about things you know nothing about, huh? Have you ever heard of a dry well or a catch basin? And nothing but snow melt goes down into it anyway. What is with people that quite obviously have no experience on a topic talking so confidently out of their asses? It is the Dunning-Kruger effect on full display with you. I mean, you’re the person that came in swinging about living quarter square footage as a counter to pole sheds without realizing it also doesn’t apply to garages either… so what more can I actually expect? Just stop embarrassing yourself.
The context of this conversation is about a mass land development, try to fucking think about it.
No, the context of this post is about upvoting incorrect information, and downvoting correct information.
Again, you’re helping prove the point that a few anecdotal observations isn’t the norm
And you’re again proving the point that you have horrible reading comprehension. No one made the claim that it is the norm, the claim was, “Sometimes, the garage is more than 60% of the whole house.” And that is absolutely true.
You’re really latching onto that sometimes bit hard aren’t you?
the context of this post is about upvoting incorrect information, and downvoting correct information.
…information about… come on… you almost got it. I’m glad you learned about catch basins, unfortunate that you believe it negates any water run-off. You do have an outlet from the basin right? Is this a magical abyss of a basin that catches all the run off from your 3k sq ft structures and you think it’ll never fill up?
I see you’re already engaging with the OP and admitted to having horrible reading comprehension since you couldn’t discern the original intent of the post. But then you continue on with the SoMEtIMEs!! rhetoric. As you’ve stated, you’re a niche land owner who is ACTIVELY adding on to an already oversized shed, your land wasn’t originally developed that way nor is that a practice that’s done without an active home owner who has stated those needs to the builders. No one is going around developing 60%, sOmETiMeS! people add on as is their right after purchasing. Love your use of picking and choosing through the argument, truly impressive.
You’ve proven yourself to be a know-nothing blowhard over and over by now… so it should come as no surprise when I tell you this, but… I think you’re a fool, and I don’t consider your opinion whatsoever. Honestly, you should probably get some help based on how adamantly you refuse to admit wrong when it’s been quite obvious. Might be some underlying issues there. In any event, stay mad about being called out or learn from this, grow, and be happy. I have better things to do than argue with a confidently wrong blowhard that is continually arguing tangents to delay the inevitable of facing reality and admitting they are wrong. You’ve embarrassed yourself enough, you’ve wasted enough of my time. Deuces!
Be still my heart, apparently it matters because you’ve lost all words and have gone the typical route of insults. I hope that’s how you learn and are happy, to think you actually had any factual knowledge to have a conversation with is my fault. This replies screams of something you’re dying to tell yourself in a mirror, you’re not even pointing out what I need to admit to so I’m assuming it’s a message to yourself. Have fun crying in your shed and make sure to clean your basin often, you can think of me next time you’re out there.
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Wow, what an awe-inspiring counter-example, lol
Am I not supposed to like that? Cause I really like that house design. Garage for days.
That looks amazing. I’d actually have space to work on a project car, plus store my daily, as well as extra storage, probably a server rack and a whole bunch of other stuff. One of the things I notice most about living in an apartment vs my childhood home is how much storage space we had in our garage.
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Holy mother of a workshop
Even there the house is a bit too large for me. That carage is nice though
Yeah the climates fucked with all this car worship
Tbf I once looked seriously at a house with a giant garage because I wanted to turn it into a huge hobby and rpg space.
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Downvoting it just for using imperial units✊
Larger garages are more environmentally friendly. My garage is huge compared to my house. It has 2 cars, a laundry, and all of the stuff I don’t use every day.
This is an area that is not heated or cooled. By having all the storage in the garage, I can get by with less living space.
Garages are cheaper per square metre than rooms, so you save money there too.
You get all the stuff into the same size house, but with less building materials, less heating and cooling costs, and less clutter in your house.
Wouldn’t it be more environmentally friendly to store your cars outside and not have a garage?
My car is 20 years old and has zero rust. The environmental footprint of manufacturing a car is huge. They last much longer in a garage. It also doesn’t need to get washed as often. Washing has an environmental overhead too.
No, because it gets dirty and damaged more often meaning you need to clean and repair it more often.
My car lives outside and I literally don’t do anything to it besides oil changes and occasional tire replacements. If all you have is a daily driver you really don’t need a garage.
Do you live in a place that gets lots of snow? I hear a car is practically immortal in California; unlike Ohio where the salt/brine destroying the car slowly every winter.
Yes but why would my car accumulate road salt while sitting in my driveway and how would storing it in a garage make this less of a problem?
But the brine comes from de-iced roads, so it’s irrelevant to whether the car is parked in a garage. Maybe roadside parking could expose it to more brine due to passing traffic.
My garage is huge compared to my house. It has 2 cars, a laundry, and all of the stuff I don’t use every day.
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You get all the stuff into the same size house
Sounds like the problem is all the stuff.
You only have stuff you use every day?
Mostly, yes. I don’t have enough other stuff to warrant storing it separately in a garage.
If they add in the driveway the area would probably be about the same as the house.
If we also add in the necessary roads and parking lots,it is pretty obvious that cars are creating a self-induced demand.
We need to have cars because we need to drive around space for cars.
Still beats the space and maintenance needs of a horse and buggy.
And the maintenance! I’ve shoveled horse shit for a living before, and let me tell ya, turning a wrench is much better.
You ain’t wrong.
When you accidentally consider your hyperbole to be factual.
This just gets worse when you use what developers call a two car garage now. 24x24 would be awesome, it’s more like 18x20 now despite bigger cars.
We are in that bucket and in this stupid country there aren’t many smaller cars anymore. We’re looking for a decent EV that is small and would fit in our garage. I think we have like, 2 options. Everything out there is some crossover SUV bullshit. I don’t want a giant car, I just want something smaller and comfortable for 2 people.
This sort of thing has always happened.
I do find it particularly infuriating when it’s a topic I’m knowledgeable in/involves my profession. But then I remember most people are stupid and it doesn’t bother me too much.
I’ve had the “You don’t work in X do you?” or the “tell me you don’t know about X without telling me you don’t work in X”. Oh boy my fucking bachelors and masters and years of experience in the field say otherwise FFS!
But then I remember most people are stupid and it doesn’t both me too much.
Great mantra to live by.
r/ELI5 was terrible for this
/r/ArgueLikeYouAre5
Blame the system. Rating system was a good idea to encourage community self-moderation. But,most people treat upvotes/downvotes as likes/dislikes, even when specifically asked to use them differently. And, because of that, places with rating systems inevitably boil down to circlejerking, infobubbles, and tribalism. Too bad the only alternatives are spamholes, chaotic messes with power-tripping moderators, and AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.
AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.
They aren’t designed to control your mind but to make money. The mind thing is a side effect.
They wanna make paperclips. The money is a side effect.
People are people. People like to feel good about themselves. Vanity is still the Devil’s favourite sin.
Many users vote based on emotions here. I often see well written comments with the sources linked and everything, being downvoted, and some low effort reply with an opinion is upvoted, though factually incorrect.
I see that a lot too. This is the art of rhetoric, politics. Not facts. Voting is a human thing. You have to appeal to the human.
Omg, who fucking cares?
Exactly, who cares about the arrows. Sometimes I vote, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes my finger slips and I hit the wrong arrow anyway. I don’t bother to change it so I take my place as an arbiter of chaos.
