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Kynuck97 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish ·
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Having an absolute "Enlightened" Colonizer Moment over "Peyote Gatekeeping"

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Having an absolute "Enlightened" Colonizer Moment over "Peyote Gatekeeping"

Kynuck97 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish ·
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https://teddit.zaggy.nl/r/Psychonaut/comments/18mth6c/peyote_is_the_darling_of_the_psychedelics/

Honestly this whole thread is a cesspool, pure psychic damage. There are literally functional alternatives, but still these self-enlightened egolords can’t keep their fucking hands off an endangered plant. The prevailing attitude looks to be “Its there, so I i am entitled to plunder it”

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    • Kynuck97 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netOP
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      Sure, but Peyote takes 10-30 years to grow in a very specific climate, and is endangered due to overharvesting. Growing your own is one thing, but exploiting an endangered plant and telling the groups that use it to “Grow it on their own land” is blatant colonizer behavior.

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      is pandanas an endangered species? the cactus is.

      If whitey wants peyote, whitey should grow it on his own land, it’s all stolen anyway.

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          No one should be harming the plants in that case

          except for the indigenous people who have used it for over 5000 years with no problem right?? big-honk

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              Indigenous growers know how to harvest the plant safely. The problem comes from colonizers taking the whole plant or clumsily over harvesting and killing it

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                Tigers also harvest pretty poorly

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              there’s also like 50,000 Native Americans in the SW, and 1,300,000,000 Chinese so I think sustainability isn’t an issue

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        Mescaline lasts too long anyways

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      This isn’t something I’m super knowledgeable about, but I think Peyote cactus is mostly wild, relatively rare, and black market access to it cuts into the supply available for native religious groups:

      Dawn Davis, 43, an expert in peyote conservation and a member of the Shoshone-Bannock tribes of Fort Hall, Idaho, worries that decriminalization efforts will renew the kind of fascination with psychedelic experiences that moved a generation of seekers to buy peyote from black market sources in the 1960s.

      https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2020-03-29/native-americans-want-mind-bending-peyote-cactus-removed-from-efforts-to-decriminalize-psychedelic-plants

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        Basically people using it as a recreational drug can have a very real impact on the legality and availability of the plant for indigenous people.

        they shouldn’t need a legal exemption but democrats support the war on drugs i guess.

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