US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth condemned for sinking Iranian ship in international waters. Indian politicians criticize US attack as cowardly and despicable.
Yes a seie and actual rafts, is not a reading comprehension issue, itās a you meeting factually wrong.
Duh.
It was on both accounts.
Neither is yours especially when youāre wrong.
Yes they were, youāre talking about the modem use not their original intention.
Again dena was not outside of Iranās waters nor for that matter us waters they were 2000 miles from the ao and unarmed, theyāre not at all comparable.
Yes my point is they didnāt choose cowardice on purpose. They issued a warning and then took action. Itās the law but yes sure itās good pr and the right thing to do.
Ya huh, tell me where I used either incorrectly rather than playing for personal insults yet again.
Itās a war crime and youāre equivocating.
Its a military target not a warship when unarmed acting as an auxiliary ship. They didnāt even warn sri lanka which would be the least of all available measures again youāre making excuses for the inexcusable.
There is, itās too rescue the crew because we arenāt at war with them let alone total war.
Stop simping for hegseth and his illegal bullshit dude, itās gross.
āYes my point is they didnāt choose cowardice on purpose. They issued a warning and then took action. Itās the law but yes sure itās good pr and the right thing to do.ā
No, it is not the law that you have to warn a military ship before engaging it in combat. The only ones you have to warn are merchant ships, or civilian ships. You are just wrong.
tell me where I used either incorrectly rather than playing for personal insults yet again.
Okā¦ how about we start where you said Submarines were ālitterallyā invented to seize and capture other ships. (That was not what they were literally invented to do. Just because early German uboats snuck up on merchant ships to seize contraband, doesnāt mean it was āliterallyā what they were invented for.)
And Iām not obscuring or trying to hide behind anything. Iāve been nothing but clear.
Itās a cowardly, planned attack on an allegedly unarmed vessel. But itās not illegal. They are under no obligation to preemptively warn Sri Lanka. It is believed however they did tell Sri Lanka of where people had to be rescued after torpedoing it.
And you are at war with Iran. Just like Russia is at war with Ukraine. War was a fact the moment the US starting bombing Iran. I know the US doesnāt want to call it a war. Because if they do, they have to admit Trump started one without congressional approval.
By not calling this war for what it is, youāre literally defending Trump.
And Iām not even remotely defending hegseth, you and others claimed attacking this ship was a war crime. Itās not. And that by not rescuing the sailors personally, was another war crime. It can be. But unless the US had other ships that could safely do so in the vicinity, itās not a war crime to instead signal a third country and informing them of their location.
Thatās not me defending anyone. Iām simply telling you it wasnāt a war crime.
What was a war crime, and probably breaks lots of other āinternational lawsā was the indiscriminate bombing of Venezuelan civilian ships. Particularly the part where after bombing a ship, which was disabled by the strike. They then ordered a second strike. Ensuring the death of any potential survivors.
THAT was a blatant crime and an actual illegal order. And everyone involved should be tried as such.
It is when itās an auxillary ship carrying civilians bud. You are just wrong.
Ya huh. The most successful subs of the class being designed to do just that is what? Coincidence?
Also wrong but clearly so at least.
Not allegedly, it was boarded and searched and Iran doesnāt have the unrep ability the US does unless youāre implying they docked somewhere and replenished munitions it was in fact unarmed. No one said preemptively, they didnāt even notify them after the strike. Sri lanka said they did not add I do not trust the US because it has time and time again lied about itās actions.
We are not at war, we are taking part in special combat operations. After 150 days without approval from Congress we will be at defacto war. Until then we arenāt at war.
By not calling it a war Iām saying Congress did not approve and thus it is not a war. See above for why. But nice try at yet another personal insult.
It was a war crime, auxillary ships are not taken in the same way an active fleet ship is. The US did have other ships in the area notably the pict which had just left sri lanka from the same fleet exhibition.
Thatās equivocating which is why I keep saying it and it is in fact defending the indefensible.
That is also a war crime, yes. Good job accepting that fact.
Agreed, I didnāt say this was an illegal order. I said it was a war because it clearly was.
We are not at war, we are taking part in special combat operations. After 150 days without approval from Congress we will be at defacto war. Until then we arenāt at war.
By not calling it a war Iām saying Congress did not approve and thus it is not a war. See above for why. But nice try at yet another personal insult.
Whatās the insult? You feel insulted that I said going along with Trumps notion that this somehow isnāt a war is defending him?
You cannot seriously believe that what defines a war is your congress approval of it. So if Trump decides to bomb China. Thatās not Trump starting a war then? Because Congress didnāt approve it?
if thatās genuinly your belief, Iām lost for words.
You can start a war without a declaration of war. Sinking another countryās warship is an act of war.
The only reason Trump isnāt calling it a war (except for all the times he genuinly referred to it as āwarā) is because that would be impeachable and illegal under US law.
āSpecial combat operationsā laughable. Itās exactly what Russia claimed theyāre doing in Ukraine. āOh weāre not at war with Ukraineā¦ itās just a special military operationā.
youāre an actual idiot if you think im defending the sinking of the ship. im not. the only thing iāve said is that it isnāt a war crime. and neither is what followed
you can think itās shitty, cowardly, reprehensable, disgusting, thatās all fine. those are opinions. what isnt opinion is that it did not constitute a war crime.
The scope of what a Party to the conflict is actually required to do on the basis of Article 18(1) will depend on the interpretation of the qualifier āpossibleā. What will be possible in the circumstances is inherently context-specific. Thus, the measures that must be taken in each case have to be determined in good faith, based on the circumstances and the information reasonably available to both the commanders on the spot or nearby and to the other organs acting on behalf of the Party to the conflict.
In this regard, the fact that the obligation of Article 18(1) applies to the āParty to the conflictā as a whole is critical. Thus, it may occur that the commander of a single warship or even of an entire naval task-force considers, in a good-faith assessment, that it is impossible to undertake, with the assets under his or her command, any of the activities required under Article 18. This does not, however, absolve those overseeing the commanderās operations (who will have a fuller picture of the situation and may be able to deploy other assets) from assessing what āpossible measuresā can ā and therefore must ā be taken. Nor does it absolve the commander from considering other activities that are possible, such as alerting nearby coastal authorities or other vessels in the area or making an āappeal to the charityā of neutral vessels in the sense of Article 21.
Bro the fact youāre taken to multiple personal attacks but canāt remember where or when is fairly telling.
Thatās how it is legally defined in the United States like it or not thatās how it actually works.
Itās not a belief itās the actual law.
An act of war and declaration of war are two separate things. Taking a head of state into custody is an act of war and yet we arenāt at war with them either.
Duh, that doesnāt change the fact that we are not at war.
Yeah no shit, two shitty nations using the same playbook doesnāt really change anything and Russian law allows Putin control over declaration of war, that simply isnāt how it works in the US.
You 100% are, and it 100% is a war crime and that is iirc the fifth personal attack on me.
Itās all of those things and a war crime.
Youāve proven my point but apparently donāt know you have. Though it is fairly amusing you insult my reading comprehension and quote that particular section without comprehending it.
Hold on, youāre complaining that Iāve repeatedly somehow insulted you personally by saying going along with Trumps notion that this isnāt a war is defending his stance that it isnāt a war.
Yet you started by saying I simping for hegseth, and thatās not a personal attack?
Yes. Declaration of war and an act of war are two different things. Very astute of you. But they both lead to the same thing. War.
You donāt have to declare war to start one. Or be in one. You can just as easily start one by committing an act of war. Thatās why itās called āan act of warā. Itās an action someone would take if they were at war with someone.
I know you donāt think the US is at war with Iran. But I say Bombing their military installations and sinking their navy is more than proof of the US being at war with Iran. And pretty much every single country would agree with that.
You seem to be offended by just about anything. I donāt think itās a direct personal attack to say I think youāre a moron if you believe Iām defending hegseth after Iāve stated numerous times that Iām not, noting his actual war crime of bombing shipwrecked civilians outside of Venezuela and hoping he is brought to justice for it.
If thatās a belief you still retain then it is what it is. If not, you have nothing to be upset about.
Oh, and I comprehend what I quoted you perfectly. If you read it thoroughly you will understand that militaries can exercise a litany of āpossible actionsā that does not constitute them personally sailing by and picking up survivors. As long as itās a decision taken in āgood faithā. Which is in itself up for some serious interpretation
Youāve repeatedly insulted me, no one said it was all claiming I support Trump.
That was after you insulted me first boss, just reread the comments of youāre confused about chronology.
No they in fact do not, they can but that is not inevitable or obligate.
In this country it is legally not a war unless declared by Congress. Casus belli does not obligate the declaration of war.
Legally we arenāt. Thatās not the only personal attack youāve made either but youāre just repeating yourself at this point. Yes those are war crimes as well, it does not mean the US is at war, clearly.
Itās not a belief, itās how the construction of the Constitution works.
Yes a seie and actual rafts, is not a reading comprehension issue, itās a you meeting factually wrong.
Duh.
It was on both accounts.
Neither is yours especially when youāre wrong.
Yes they were, youāre talking about the modem use not their original intention.
Again dena was not outside of Iranās waters nor for that matter us waters they were 2000 miles from the ao and unarmed, theyāre not at all comparable.
Yes my point is they didnāt choose cowardice on purpose. They issued a warning and then took action. Itās the law but yes sure itās good pr and the right thing to do.
Ya huh, tell me where I used either incorrectly rather than playing for personal insults yet again.
Itās a war crime and youāre equivocating.
Its a military target not a warship when unarmed acting as an auxiliary ship. They didnāt even warn sri lanka which would be the least of all available measures again youāre making excuses for the inexcusable.
There is, itās too rescue the crew because we arenāt at war with them let alone total war.
Stop simping for hegseth and his illegal bullshit dude, itās gross.
āYes my point is they didnāt choose cowardice on purpose. They issued a warning and then took action. Itās the law but yes sure itās good pr and the right thing to do.ā
No, it is not the law that you have to warn a military ship before engaging it in combat. The only ones you have to warn are merchant ships, or civilian ships. You are just wrong.
Okā¦ how about we start where you said Submarines were ālitterallyā invented to seize and capture other ships. (That was not what they were literally invented to do. Just because early German uboats snuck up on merchant ships to seize contraband, doesnāt mean it was āliterallyā what they were invented for.)
And Iām not obscuring or trying to hide behind anything. Iāve been nothing but clear.
Itās a cowardly, planned attack on an allegedly unarmed vessel. But itās not illegal. They are under no obligation to preemptively warn Sri Lanka. It is believed however they did tell Sri Lanka of where people had to be rescued after torpedoing it.
And you are at war with Iran. Just like Russia is at war with Ukraine. War was a fact the moment the US starting bombing Iran. I know the US doesnāt want to call it a war. Because if they do, they have to admit Trump started one without congressional approval.
By not calling this war for what it is, youāre literally defending Trump.
And Iām not even remotely defending hegseth, you and others claimed attacking this ship was a war crime. Itās not. And that by not rescuing the sailors personally, was another war crime. It can be. But unless the US had other ships that could safely do so in the vicinity, itās not a war crime to instead signal a third country and informing them of their location.
Thatās not me defending anyone. Iām simply telling you it wasnāt a war crime.
What was a war crime, and probably breaks lots of other āinternational lawsā was the indiscriminate bombing of Venezuelan civilian ships. Particularly the part where after bombing a ship, which was disabled by the strike. They then ordered a second strike. Ensuring the death of any potential survivors.
THAT was a blatant crime and an actual illegal order. And everyone involved should be tried as such.
It is when itās an auxillary ship carrying civilians bud. You are just wrong.
Ya huh. The most successful subs of the class being designed to do just that is what? Coincidence?
Also wrong but clearly so at least.
Not allegedly, it was boarded and searched and Iran doesnāt have the unrep ability the US does unless youāre implying they docked somewhere and replenished munitions it was in fact unarmed. No one said preemptively, they didnāt even notify them after the strike. Sri lanka said they did not add I do not trust the US because it has time and time again lied about itās actions.
We are not at war, we are taking part in special combat operations. After 150 days without approval from Congress we will be at defacto war. Until then we arenāt at war.
By not calling it a war Iām saying Congress did not approve and thus it is not a war. See above for why. But nice try at yet another personal insult.
It was a war crime, auxillary ships are not taken in the same way an active fleet ship is. The US did have other ships in the area notably the pict which had just left sri lanka from the same fleet exhibition.
Thatās equivocating which is why I keep saying it and it is in fact defending the indefensible.
That is also a war crime, yes. Good job accepting that fact.
Agreed, I didnāt say this was an illegal order. I said it was a war because it clearly was.
Whatās the insult? You feel insulted that I said going along with Trumps notion that this somehow isnāt a war is defending him?
You cannot seriously believe that what defines a war is your congress approval of it. So if Trump decides to bomb China. Thatās not Trump starting a war then? Because Congress didnāt approve it?
if thatās genuinly your belief, Iām lost for words.
You can start a war without a declaration of war. Sinking another countryās warship is an act of war.
The only reason Trump isnāt calling it a war (except for all the times he genuinly referred to it as āwarā) is because that would be impeachable and illegal under US law.
āSpecial combat operationsā laughable. Itās exactly what Russia claimed theyāre doing in Ukraine. āOh weāre not at war with Ukraineā¦ itās just a special military operationā.
youāre an actual idiot if you think im defending the sinking of the ship. im not. the only thing iāve said is that it isnāt a war crime. and neither is what followed
you can think itās shitty, cowardly, reprehensable, disgusting, thatās all fine. those are opinions. what isnt opinion is that it did not constitute a war crime.
Bro the fact youāre taken to multiple personal attacks but canāt remember where or when is fairly telling.
Thatās how it is legally defined in the United States like it or not thatās how it actually works.
Itās not a belief itās the actual law.
An act of war and declaration of war are two separate things. Taking a head of state into custody is an act of war and yet we arenāt at war with them either.
Duh, that doesnāt change the fact that we are not at war.
Yeah no shit, two shitty nations using the same playbook doesnāt really change anything and Russian law allows Putin control over declaration of war, that simply isnāt how it works in the US.
You 100% are, and it 100% is a war crime and that is iirc the fifth personal attack on me.
Itās all of those things and a war crime.
Youāve proven my point but apparently donāt know you have. Though it is fairly amusing you insult my reading comprehension and quote that particular section without comprehending it.
Hold on, youāre complaining that Iāve repeatedly somehow insulted you personally by saying going along with Trumps notion that this isnāt a war is defending his stance that it isnāt a war.
Yet you started by saying I simping for hegseth, and thatās not a personal attack?
Yes. Declaration of war and an act of war are two different things. Very astute of you. But they both lead to the same thing. War.
You donāt have to declare war to start one. Or be in one. You can just as easily start one by committing an act of war. Thatās why itās called āan act of warā. Itās an action someone would take if they were at war with someone.
I know you donāt think the US is at war with Iran. But I say Bombing their military installations and sinking their navy is more than proof of the US being at war with Iran. And pretty much every single country would agree with that.
You seem to be offended by just about anything. I donāt think itās a direct personal attack to say I think youāre a moron if you believe Iām defending hegseth after Iāve stated numerous times that Iām not, noting his actual war crime of bombing shipwrecked civilians outside of Venezuela and hoping he is brought to justice for it.
If thatās a belief you still retain then it is what it is. If not, you have nothing to be upset about.
Oh, and I comprehend what I quoted you perfectly. If you read it thoroughly you will understand that militaries can exercise a litany of āpossible actionsā that does not constitute them personally sailing by and picking up survivors. As long as itās a decision taken in āgood faithā. Which is in itself up for some serious interpretation
Good luck. Youāll need it.
Youāve repeatedly insulted me, no one said it was all claiming I support Trump.
That was after you insulted me first boss, just reread the comments of youāre confused about chronology.
No they in fact do not, they can but that is not inevitable or obligate.
In this country it is legally not a war unless declared by Congress. Casus belli does not obligate the declaration of war.
Legally we arenāt. Thatās not the only personal attack youāve made either but youāre just repeating yourself at this point. Yes those are war crimes as well, it does not mean the US is at war, clearly.
Itās not a belief, itās how the construction of the Constitution works.
You clearly do not.
No need for luck nor to condescend.