Hey just wanted to stop by and thank you for your service. Flood the zone!!! Inversion baby… but as a fellow fed, I just wounder after licking all the boots and mudding all the waters…welp… when do we get the spoils? Are you official or a open source useful idiot of imperialism? Anyways you are doing a GREAT job. May jesus bless you and angels kiss your cheeks. Democracy Now! - 7/8/09 - Cynthia McKinney Back in U.S. After Israeli Detainment
are you just going to troll or do you have anything insightful to add?
One would almost think this a joke screenshot.
sometimes i consider if it’s just a massive troll, but then i wander into their chatrooms and it’s just nonstop bitching and moaning lol
must be tiring being a keyboard warrior fighting against capitalism and fascism by posting memes
They’re just like maga, “Debate me bro.” And then they proceed to reject all the facts and logic that you provide, while getting upset when you dismiss the alternative “facts” that they make up.
Like, what is this? “Argues without insulting us” AND “Argues without tone policing”? So, what, tankies want to be the only ones who can tone police and insult their counterparts in an argument?
Like, pick one or the other and apply the same rules to both sides. Ideally neither side throws insults, and either side can tone police. But don’t say “we can do both, and you can do neither.” That’s the same “rules for thee, not for me” rhetoric that all authoritarians use, whether on the left or on the right.
Tankies are just covert fascists. Prove me wrong.
I don’t think they’re quite fascist because of the economic difficreneces and social wellbeing policies.
But they are undoubtedly both authoritarian, and that’s pretty much the biggest problem because it practically makes the two identical.
They also don’t really have any “social wellbeing policies”. They spend almost zero time discussing those, and almost all of the time discussing how evil “the libs” are.
It’s because they don’t care for communism or any sort of communist or even socialist values. They only care about “west bad”
If you take their theory at face value, correct. If you observe their attitudes and actions, you see that they don’t really care about implementing those theories. They only discuss them to give themselves a veneer of moral superiority.
Stalin didn’t lift the proletariat out of poverty; he merely starved and murdered all the peasants who didn’t join his party. He didn’t liberate the masses, he implemented a highly oppressive surveillance/police state.
The average anarchist will be the first to try to bully someone into complying with their preferred systems of social order. They only want there to be no government so that nothing can stop them from forcing everyone else to conform to their will.
That’s what I mean by “covert” fascist. Nominally leftist, practically not.
Equating anarchists to fascists is genuinely in the top five most stupid fucking political takes I have ever heard in my life. What the fuck do you think anarchists want force on you?
“Fuck these anarchists, they want to get rid of hierarchy and government so I won’t have a boot to suck the polish off of.” Is what you fucking sound like. The comm is for shitting on tankies. Anarchists are not tankies. Tankie does not mean leftist, it means authoritarian communist.
Anarchists aren’t tankies, no. But a shocking amount of them, on Lemmy at least, cosy up with Tankies and even argue in favour of authoritarian states, or defend them. From my experience, the average anarchist hates the liberal more than the tankie, despite the latter being in direct opposition to their principles.
Yes, and I actively distance myself from them. Its why I moved from dbzer0 to quokk.au and from Lemmy to Piefed. Anarchists who cosy up to MLs are naive and fail to learn from a hundred years of history. Anarchism is just as incompatible with statism and authority as it is with capitalism. That is not to say I wont work with liberals and marxists, just that I would never trust them.
that’s actually really respectful to your ideals.
why do you think so many anarchists, like those from dbzer0, cosy up to tankies?
Its scary fighting back. You want allies, and many of them so the odds dont feel so impossible. Its hard not to fall into the thinking that capitalism is the bigger threat, so we should work together against the common enemy. “We’ll figure out which communism is best after the revolution” is what I often hear. Issue is, looking at history, we get backstabbed before we get to see the end of the revolution. In the end though, its hard not to end up trusting those you spend time working with.
summed up beautifully.
every commie/anarchist I know IRL, and I’ve known quite a few, are HUGE bullies/assholes, and they tend to only be friends with people they have control over or can intimidate into submission to them. They HATE people who are independent of their mentality and character assassinate them.
It’s the typical use of high minded ideals to justify their shitty and hypocritical personal behavior.
That’s really more of what I’ve seen in the communist communities rather than anarchists.
But they too have a tendency of being all or nothing.
The ones who demand “social order” truly aren’t anarchist anyway. The whole point of anarchy is to approach an egalitarian community that rejects the idea of unearned authority.
Genuinely curious. How do true anarchists propose to prevent crime syndicates from gaining power and becoming a de facto government, committing extortion, racketeering, and human trafficking?
Or are they just running on the assumption that after the collapse of society, people’s appetites for wealth, power, and influence will simply evaporate?
they don’t. they, like communists, tend to ignore human nature and think their ideal society will have no scarcity or struggle.
they basically ignore human psychology and social behavior
That’s concerning. And yet they call anyone a fascist who doesn’t support their cause. Tsk tsk. Projection at its finest.
Exactly! I’m sorry a tankie got butthurt and downvoted you.
I don’t like a lot of the self-proclaimed anarchists for that specific reason. They give the rest of us a really bad look. They miss the whole point of being anti-authoritarian, anti-heirchical, anti-coercisive, and anti-capitalist.
I understand why they are that way, I’m like 99% sure it’s a neurodivergent thing (black-and-white thinking, rejection of authority, failure to recognize social norms, we pretty much all do it to some degree, and some are much more obvious than others).
Like a doctor is an authority on health. Why? Because they earned it. They put their livelihood on the line by licensure and risk to avoid malprat. Governments where only a select few are voted for and the rest of the representation is all because of Republic stances rather than democratic ones are not deserving of authority.
Also, it might be that the anarchists you have met are not anarchists at all. It sounds much more like the communists I know.
Like a doctor is an authority on health. Why? Because they earned it.
If I were to design a novel political system, there would be privileged places for PhD holders. Political philosophy, political science, history, sociology, etc. I’m not quite certain of the mechanism of selection, whether they’re elected or appointed or something else. Perhaps there would be a direct pipeline from university faculties to the upper-echelons of government. Enough to fill a cabinet with a representative from each department, at least. The departments and agencies would be run by people who spent their lives gaining expertise in their respective fields.
Maybe the public could still elect a head of state, but they would have a more ceremonial role as a figurehead (like the President of Ireland). And the chief of state would be a prime minister. The legislative branch would be parliamentary, with proportional representation.
I say this because, I recognize that the current system in the US is ass. It had some good ideas, for an early iteration of a democratic-republic, but it’s been a few centuries of learning and some things could certainly be done better.
But just because this system is ass, doesn’t mean all systems are inherently ass. There has to be some means of organizing society to keep the gears turning and preventing everything from breaking down into disorder and chaos.
For the record, I’m totally in favor of the workers seizing the means of production, but it doesn’t have to be done violently. If the ultimate outcome is worker’s unions taking over in place of boards of investors, and running former corporations as co-operative enterprises where workers keep most of the value of their labor, and the rest goes to public coffers to fund social programs and civic infrastructure that benefit everybody; if that’s the goal, then it can be done without shedding a drop of blood. Only, the right people need to be in power to make that happen.
Hence why I mention the communist thing.
Anarchy and communism have a LOT of overlap.
Most anarchists are anarcho-communists. I mean anarcho-capitalists exist but those are just oligarchs in favor of technofeudalism
Anarcho-capitalism isn’t remotely anarchy. It’s fuedalism full stop.
Tankies are sometimes called red fash since they argue in support of fascism as opposed to actually caring for the people. I mentioned it before, Tankies don’t operate on the basis of parties or workers. They are authoritarians, so when they mean CCP, they mean Xi. When they mean Russia, they mean Putin. That’s why if you explore their spaces and engage with them, they will almost never actually argue for the workers or people
They love their “strong” leaders and deify them – I mean, really, who has photos of a dead dictator in their room? What is that?
They want us to debate with them but they ban us when they lose. Typical ML getting rid of people who become dangerous to their belief in their worldview.
Justified ban
why that
Concern trolling and ban evasion. https://lemmy.world/post/35172737
i wasn’t trolling
sure i was evading a ban, but who gives a shit? you can’t stop alt accounts on fediverse, I’m sure you know this well
Immediately going for their point 3 in their reply. It couldn’t be any funnier.
Most of their grievances with THE LIBS are projections
got banned for pointing out that they can’t pull a revolution when they can’t even handle words like… GASP…
idiot
Considering two people followed up to this comment by referencing the intellectually disabled, that may be one of the tankies actually stronger points.
As someone who’s autistic, I find it more ableist if you assume that idiot and stupid and any other variations upon automatically means intellectual disability.
It’s like, really? That’s where your mind goes when you hear stupid? It’s telling on your own perspective and I challenge you on that. Say idiot, say stupid, say dumb, since that’s not the intellectually disabled or what we go by.
Mod accidentally revealed his IQ of 80
Room temp IQ but can’t afford the heating bill.
These aren’t anonymous users or strangers to each other in the slightest.
This does seem like you had some kind of history of interaction with them, so you wouldn’t just be anyone to them.
If you aren’t just any random person offering them to talk, you must have known that your personal relationship is loaded with a preexisting emotional sentiment.
I would assume that you already knew exactly how they would respond and only made your offer intending to post the response here.
This is a perfect example of acting in bad faith imo.
funnily enough i’ve only interacted with hexbear one other time and that was then they federated with the entirety of Lemmy as a way to troll. Unfortunately for them they didn’t consider that meant anyone could venture into hexbear. hexbear ended up defederating from all of lemmy within 24 hours. it was a humiliating defeat for them
my relationship with hexbear is one of their own circlejerking, they didn’t even know I agreed with them on the US. They also don’t know any of my views.
true i expected to be banned and i did predict this sort of response. thats why i offered in good faith a baseline of stuff we agree on. Regardless, it’s telling that you’re not calling them bad faith for knowingly making a bait post asking people to come talk with them, which will get anyone who actually engages with them banned
would it also not be further in bad faith if I were to use a different identity? that seems dishonest, no? and why is it on me if they can’t control their emotions? i’ve had them harass me nonstop, attempt to dox me multiple times, threaten to kill me numerous times, create fake nudes and regularly spread false information about me, but I never get volatile, i’m a very relaxed goat
I mean you’re like their Cowbee.
