Personally I think it’s silly as hell. Qualia is obviously a biological component of experience… Not some weird thing that science will never be able to put in to words.

I’ve been listening to a lot of psychology podcasts lately and for some reason people seem obsessed with the idea despite you needing to make the same logical leaps to believe it as any sort of mysticism… Maybe I am just tripping idk

  • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    3 months ago

    My argument is that it is literally physically impossible to have my 1:1 brain and not have consciousness, as consciousness is derived from your brains processees.

    That’s not an “argument”, that’s literally the most text book example of begging the question that I can imagine.

    And to use your example of “why consciousness”. The p zombie paints the picture. Put a p zombie in a busy street in a busy city and they get hit by a car and die. The exact same person with consciousness can interpret the situation and avoid getting ran over. That’s why consciousness came to be evolutionarily.

    They are literally behaviorally identical to a regular person. Jesus fucking Christ, this is such Reddit tier pseudo intellectualism. "I never bothered to actually comprehend the argument, but it’s dumb and irrational anyway. Fucking no investigation, no write to speak, you self important chud

    Imagining a p zombie is like imagining a computer that is supposedly running without an operating system…

    No. Imagining a p zombie is like imagining a computer that isn’t conscious but still works. You know, the thing nobody has any problem doing!

    • itsPina [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      12·
      3 months ago

      They are literally behaviorally identical to a regular person.

      How? Your behavior is literally dictated by how hard I hit you five minutes ago. Is that P Zombie the same as then? Or now?

      A P Zombie is not real. Its anime shit. I am DETERMINED BY MY PAST, yet a ZOMBIE with no SEMBLANCE of my past determines the same thing? That doesn’t make sense.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        3 months ago

        How? Your behavior is literally dictated by how hard I hit you five minutes ago. Is that P Zombie the same as then? Or now?

        Read the paper.

        A P Zombie is not real. Its anime shit. I am DETERMINED BY MY PAST, yet a ZOMBIE with no SEMBLANCE of my past determines the same thing? That doesn’t make sense.

        Read the fucking paper

        • itsPina [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          I read the paper. Literally nonsense. Even Chalmers himself argues that Zombie Chalmers would be making the exact same argument as Non Zombie Chalmers, so the actual question is what are we asking? Can I imagine a universe with P Zombies? Sure. I can imagine an ice cube that is hot. I can imagine a box that contains itself. Doesn’t mean its possible or relevant to the conversation at all. What about this universe? Are we arguing there are P Zombies in this universe? If so, how? Are we simply arguing that consciousness may exist outside of the physical realm? If so, explain the mechanism that allows it to interact with the physical realm and cause physical effects on our brains.