Personally I think it’s silly as hell. Qualia is obviously a biological component of experience… Not some weird thing that science will never be able to put in to words.
I’ve been listening to a lot of psychology podcasts lately and for some reason people seem obsessed with the idea despite you needing to make the same logical leaps to believe it as any sort of mysticism… Maybe I am just tripping idk
Try putting your hand on a hot stove and telling yourself the pain isn’t a real or tangible thing
what if I felt pleasure? would it be comparable to “what its like to feel pain”?
Yes
So you can feel pain, while in the same scenario it gives me pleasure, and you think that subjective experience is an objective “thing” that both of us are sharing? and we can know that? I am not saying that nothing is occurring, but I don’t think “qualia” is a falsifiable or useful way to describe what is occurring
Not exactly. We’re not sharing anything; we both have our own subjective experiences that are inaccessible to each other. The point is that the subjective experiences happen at all. Compare this to just putting a rock or a printer on a stove.
We can’t know the other person has a subjective experiences for certain. But if you think you can’t know about yourself that’s the point of my comment: try putting your hand on a hot stove and convincing yourself you don’t know if you’re in pain or not.
Again, try putting your hand on a stove and convincing yourself that this is no different than putting a rock on the stove.
You should read Wittgenstein instead of being aggro and arguing past people. Specifically Beetle in a Box